"And i cant remember a damn game against brazil with less than 200ms and forced USA server ofc in their favour" by putka
just for the record.. ever since Brazil plays NDML, not ONCE has BRAZIL played with a ping lower than ANY EU country.. pings are usually EU country 120~150 brazil 170~200 safe rare exceptions where brazils ping would be 150 and eu about 130
but under any circunstance has brazil ever played an eu country with a lower ping.
anyways... whatever.. this is all about rus and tur!! gg again!
Wtf putka ? Have you lost your mind !? When any EU country played against us in ping disavantage !? It's exactly the other way around, we always do, because our ping in US is worse than any EU country (except for a server which is currently online but is going to fade away soon).
Btw, last year turkey played against us in US servers. Our pings were pretty even, but this guy who posted there, str1ker.tr, had ping 10 while everybody else had around 160.
Gravgon, I think it is time to change this rule. Since Brazil and US are allowed in the tournament, it's quite impossible (maybe turkey too).
we have always more pings for the other eu teams but we r here to have fun but in further years I beliewe that we will have better pings and if this great organizastions continue we will have equal and better match and I want to thanks for the players we want to understand have we play with more than 100 ping its really horrible but also its funny
first of all we are pleased to be a part of this organisation and thanks for admins that allowed us to join this great organisation. Also we are really strong-willed to go on. We also hope to play in further years with much more better pingsin order to compete in coequal conditions. And also we congratulate team of Russia .
well.. playing fair or not depends mainly on both teams.. usually refs on bra games are tolerant to server opinions from both sides... since there are NO servers where bra ping < eu ping.. we play in usa servers where pings are almost same.. did tur check to see their ping in us servers? anyway.. im dl the demo gg tur, gg rus!
everybody knows that there is no way for both teams can play equal pings , this includes brazil and usa too , even for usa vs brazil. anyway congrats russia this is an organization 'just' for fun everyone should know this , try to enjoy it instead of thinking pings
poor Brazilians.. it sounds like if for example european team shall meat Brazil in groupgame, this team can say 'ffs there's rule 1.1, lets play on european server ONLY'...
tbh i'd like rather to play vs turkey home-away than with such difference, hope admins won't be against of this.
gg Russia, next time try russian or ukrainian servers (fasty.net) as your home, not dediz - and you'll find equal for sure :]
So what can we say. Rules are not the same for all teams. We know what Gravgon wants to say. And i cant remember a damn game against brazil with less than 200ms and forced USA server ofc in their favour. And of course Gravgon, when you will play for your country you decide if you can go home/away or not. Dont talk for other teams because you cannot decide how much they ping or get PL on line. Also to Wision: you shouldnt complain about other users comment as we know you never had more than 20ms until now and you are the last person to talk like that Horrible start. Credits to TUR team.
gravgon got a point in here and i agree with him. anyway.. for the sinups we asked all teams for "A list of european servers where your team pings well".. from turkey we didn't receive any server list, so we can see that TUR does not meet the requirements for NDML, but we still allowed teams like BRA/TUR in because we thought it will be fun for them to play, even with such a high ping.... mybe we were wrong and we shouldn't let them in next time?
btw.. if it would be home/away, it would probably end 1:1 after two maps, and where would be the last played? i believe that simillar discussion would appear again and that's also why i don't agree with home/away games.
phr> I don't want to punish a team that meets all the conditions to play in NDML (Russia, because they CAN play on most servers across Europe with decent pings) by forcing them to play pointless ping 100 vs ping 15 games.
If Turkey was allowed to play all their games home/away, they'd get an unfair advantage compared to all the other teams in their group . Why? Because they are sure to get at least 1 point every match they play (they're almost sure to always win the map played on their home server with such a big difference). While other teams from the same skill range won't have that advantage when games are played on neutral servers.
In other words, yes Turkey will probably have a ping disadvantage for all their games but at least they can play in this league which is already pretty nice considering they should normally not be allowed (rule 1.1).
I don't understand what a row u created here, our advantage was 40-45 ms, it's like 20vs60, that was 55-95. I repeat, i wish tur had better ping so we could play equal, and that server was the best for tur. Anyway, the match is over, it was ggs from both sides, we got pleasure of this battle, that's all..
So judging by what lasthero said, there was a way to play game in type of home/away with pings: Home TUR / Away RU: 15/100 Home(relatively) RU/ Away TUR: 40-50/100
Now what I see is these both 50/100 ping games in advantage of one team. I mean judging by these two examples alone, I think it's quite obvious which option was more fair.
And to say, that between 20/100 and 50/100 there's too much difference, IMO should not be raised as an argument for having a game such as they had, because the overall disadvantage of 100 ping team is so high, that 20 to 50 ping difference of home team is just negligible.
I'm not against Russia, nor inherently defend Turkey, I just think the games could've been played in different - more equal - conditions.
I haven't accepted home/away because it was a "ping 110 vs ping 15" kind of home/away.
They could have played home/away if the ping difference wasn't that big. I asked Turkey to pick the server outside their country where they ping the best and the game was played on that server.
I'll quote, YET AGAIN, the very first rule of NDML:
"1.1 Nations DeathMatch League (NDML) is an online Q2TDM tournament for country national teams. It is opened to any country which has a decent enough connection network to be able to play against other countries mainly across Europe."
It's sad but why would you join an international league if you cannot play outside your country?
they have 100 ping our server and we have 250 ping his server.we said we should play our server first robin than second robin german server cos they have 35-50 ping there and we 90-100 anyway mr.gravgon didnt accept home/away system cos he adore my dick.
lasthero you should be used to it already, since your ping outside turkey sucks in general, so you really shouldn't complain about it. anyway why didn't gravgon accept home/away?
well in NDML there no rule (like in NADL ) that teams must play on EU servers
will Gravgon decide aboout Brazil play home away game or Brazilian guys "will let to chose eu server"
im wonder why Russians accept this unfair game when get decision from admin out of his mind
yeh im sure that all players know (even HBQ-NDML admins) how bad connection will have Turkey and Brazil so why u let them sign up if u wont give them fair chance to play
POL vs SWE 
FIN vs RUS 
wision
luck
) that teams must play on EU servers
i bored to play highping 
