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	EDL #20 IRC: #EDL \| Demos: http://demos.q2players.org Sign ups: off

New players & kicked players

2011-11-29 09:58 | Welkin

Three new players have entered the EDL. Welcome!

Revo -> Div 4 B
Apkis -> Div 4 B
Barton -> Div 4 A

And four players have been removed. Good riddance.

dug
xardas
raid
rul

Also, the following players have been added to the "currently kicked" list, with their participation status set to "in hiatus".

Abc
aGent
CoLD
DM (now corrected)
Hibru

Check the previous news post for more information on how to correct your warnings record.

Comments

Reverence	2011-12-05 07:03
	HIBRU : lol what gaytalk, revo wont win single match at div3 against top 5 players... I should be in div 2 cause i dont have motivation play in div 3. Padonkas is only player who can beat me 2-0 score in div3, if he practise... Still all hands to welkin he is second best edl admin before me, if he correct odium score. I havent see odium online in irc and still he have more points than me. That sad, good and avarage players dont have same rules in edl.. And that one game in 2weeks is too long, you cannot be top shape like raskal said, if you had live. Sry for my bad engllish, im drunk. so put revo/apkis in div 4 where they are guaranteed a top 5 spot right? would have been better to put them in div 3 where they will learn faster and eventually make it to mid table. i asked you 2-3 times for our match, why didn't you play with me if you can easily win everyone in div 3? i'm still waiting... Edited: 2011-12-05 07:07
pr0to	2011-12-04 08:01
	only do not piss
MCS_FaderJok0	2011-12-03 21:17
	As I see it: Revo beat APKIS, who beat pr0to, who's the top in their division currently. I've never dueled Revo, so I don't know how good he is, but that's how I see things.
spectator_1	2011-12-03 16:51
	Amazing thread here: there's a real "retro" feeling I get when reading over the comments here -- thg AND Delita making some good points(jump in cheimera & zorre plz!), admins replying, etc... Yes just like the old days, BUT the tone isn't too abusive or over-the-top. I really think this means Welkin's doing his job: weighing competing opinions, making a clear decision, then moving on. kudos Welkin(there's some truth to mirr's "kids" metaphor, but getting paternalistic just makes it worse, so keep up the cut n' dry, minimal tone. Works best.)
Hibru	2011-12-03 12:33
	lol what gaytalk, revo wont win single match at div3 against top 5 players... I should be in div 2 cause i dont have motivation play in div 3. Padonkas is only player who can beat me 2-0 score in div3, if he practise... Still all hands to welkin he is second best edl admin before me, if he correct odium score. I havent see odium online in irc and still he have more points than me. That sad, good and avarage players dont have same rules in edl.. And that one game in 2weeks is too long, you cannot be top shape like raskal said, if you had live. Sry for my bad engllish, im drunk.
TeiOch	2011-12-02 14:53
	whatever whiners ..
BASSHUNTER	2011-12-02 10:50
	...What delita said. This decission is a good example of pure idiotism. Not that it would be the first example around here...or the last. Kinda used to it.
Delita	2011-12-02 08:11
	Revo is perfectly capable of dueling. The problem is he bases his whole style of play on artificial skills such as aim and fancy jumps, not to mention years of experience. There is three reasons why Revo shouldn't be in Division 3. 1. Because no matter what you believe, all three key Quake game types (TDM, 1v1, FFA) are all made up of the same components. However, certain atributes are stressed more in some types than others. For example, aim dominates in Team DM, Tactics dominate in Duel. Get the picture? Anyway, Revo has a high level of aim, experiece and movement, and though his tactical abilities are next to nothing, he will be able to outaim and out maneuver almost all division 4 players. 2. Revos experience of custom maps is high and will also adapt very fast to a low level of dueling abilities such as division 4. This means that in a short amount of time Revo will quite easily be division 3 compatible. 3. The third aspect is the ethical factors. How would you feel if you where in a league, doing well with an end goal in sight, some for the money, others for the pride. Well, if this were you, you definately wouldn't like some much harder opponent pushing in the line and destroying your hopes of achieving anything. The trick was to inspire players to play and improve, people like sofiene want to be better and feel like they have accomplished something, even if they only come 2nd or 3rd. However, putting a player who has played for division 1 clans and Swedens squad just totally destroys that hope. I've been saying this for years. You people just don't know what you are doing in terms of Quake 2.
TeiOch	2011-12-02 07:00
	tho Revo would have zero duel experience with such old game, impossible. All quakers have duel skills ofc. U may not play it alot, but there isnt really existing 'pure' tdm players, or pure duelers etc. Even jumpers now and then play regular q2, and they are famous for 'only' sticking with jumps. Within quake2 regular 'frag-way-of-playing' we All more OR less play all kind of things throughout the years. And ofc, for the record I've catched some Revo duels with my own eyes, I just can't say how much he has dueled, for that I trust what Welkin and the other seeders came to conclusion. Before xaw was kicked, many thought he would take Div4, some thought he belonged to Div3....but in the end it was okay. I think it's okay they are in Div4 apkis and revo....and u can never know which ones will be the finest players, hint Edge League #2 is a good example. I support the decision, but I wanted to clarify that they do indeed have duel skillz / experience nevertheless. Only difference is - how much?
BASSHUNTER	2011-12-01 16:56
	Is vanilla somekind of mod? Anyway, wasn't me.
newash	2011-12-01 15:09
	I was trying to warn You. Now i have make You cry!
MCS_FaderJok0	2011-12-01 14:54
	There are TDM players like Scooby and Cleaner, not to mention Purri who have great dueling skills. I don't know that much about Revo's dueling skills, it makes a difference if you have zero dueling experience. Also thaigo, was that you on vanilla? :>
Welkin	2011-12-01 14:33
	newash: In my opinion you can't compare Revo and Cleaner in TDM. Not because Revo isn't great, but because Cleaner is better than great. Also, you can't compare them in duels. Cleaner is a more experienced AND better duel player than Revo. Still Cleaner only made it to Div 2, which has now proven to be good seeding. Revo is a top Div 4 player, but not good enough for Div 3. I am sure we will see Revo in the final stages of the Div 4 playoffs, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he will be featured in the final. That's just my personal guess though. The seeding trustees were IsBjorn, brzn and myself - the admin crew. In spite of all this criticism, we still believe this seeding to be good and sober. Few people have the same insight in Revo's dueling skills as we do. Just for the record.
pr0to	2011-12-01 14:21
	imho revo apkis div4 important not to strafe)) Edited: 2011-12-01 14:24
newash	2011-12-01 10:56
	Welkin, its ease to point a player with great TDM and not proven duel skills: Cleaner. Div4 vs Div2? And Edit: Was this seed along with 2.1.5 of rules? If yes - it is accordig to rules and nothing can be said after that. Who was the trustees in this case? Edited: 2011-12-01 11:13
Delita	2011-12-01 10:32
	Hibru: [19:01] <mirr> if i played every day i dont think i'd have any trouble winning edl Thank you for clarifying facts Hibru.
Reverence	2011-12-01 09:12
	i agree with thg... look at division 3 with tdm only players like bobek who are in a worse clan in tdm than revo yet put in a higher 1v1 division. gl in final apkis/revo
BASSHUNTER	2011-12-01 08:01
	Nice decission once again... Revo in div4? I bet he asked to be put there, cause he cant stand losing and just wants to rape nubs as always. I mean how many div1 tdm players do u see in div4 besides Revo? What about div3 even? Well I guess it goes along with this league, both are jokes.
Hibru	2011-12-01 05:44
	[19:01] <mirr> if i played every day i dont think i'd have any trouble winning edl
Z1on	2011-11-30 14:50
	Mirr go to div1 than...or they are under ur level? Im not denial, just in this hard days for q2 is happening something good like -we have a league at all ,for the money wankers there is a prizes,div etc and u want some tufness from Welk??? For what??? We should happy this is happening .... P.S: about maps-its your choice to playing it or not, right?if u want to go forward u have to play em atleast well .its edl not egde tournament : Edited: 2011-11-30 14:51
Delita	2011-11-30 14:43
	You have contradicted yourself. I hate and never play all those maps either and I'm still in division 3. Also I didn't say welkin wasn't doing a good job, I said he was holding on too tight to running the league. You're in denial.
Z1on	2011-11-30 13:40
	Mirr ,u are talking bullshit!!! Hands off,Welkin is the best admin happend to this scene since 2006,2007.He is all day here working for us.He is 1111% dedicated to q2scene ,like no other...,and dont get any paymant for that. About apkis -he is div3 for sure ,but Revo is div4,yeah he is kinda good at tdm maps but on duel maps like ptrip,q2rdm2,ztn...koldduel etc he will struggled ,i can bet on that ! peace
Delita	2011-11-30 11:06
	Revo should be in division 3. Even though he's no dueler, many of the players that call themselves duelers in this league arnt either. Never the less, TDM skills can be carried over to duel and Revo's tdm skills can quite easily overcome any division 4 players duel skills. Welkin you need to stop bending rules in a desperate attempt to salvage the league. Truth is, you are being too soft on people. Lay it down harshly and people will soon think twice about EDL and Euroq2l if they really do care about Quake 2. Quake 2 players are like kids in this day and age, they mess around and get away with murder because you don't discipline them properly. Edited: 2011-11-30 11:41
Reverence	2011-11-30 10:40
	apkis and revo in div 4 unfair on div 4 imo.. put them where they belong in div 3
MCS_FaderJok0	2011-11-30 07:06
	I agree with Welkin. Just because you're a great TDM player doesn't mean you're a good dueler.
psm	2011-11-30 05:45
	skill is skill...no matter is it tdm..duel..ffa.
TeiOch	2011-11-29 15:51
	I don't mind meeting Revo And welcome Apkis Nice to see another American joining. DM? aGent.... and the rest, don't leave pfff
Welkin	2011-11-29 14:47
	I'm sure we all can agree that Revo is a great TDM player, but it seems you're forgetting this is not a TDM league, and Revo has no dueling experience worth mentioning. Much like many other cases in this league, where people have questioned the seeding, I believe the people will be proven ''wrong'' again.
newash	2011-11-29 13:54
	Revo in div 4(B) ? Excuse me, but skill obligate... http://q2scene.net/ndml/index.php?op=descr&id=68052
[cr]jordan	2011-11-29 13:40
	GL and HF ALL)
psm	2011-11-29 10:32
	Revo div4? lol Edited: 2011-11-29 10:36
pr0to	2011-11-29 10:17
	good players in my group/gl hf

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