beeing young doesnt mean that you will use a wallhack and/or an aimbot,David is 18 and i was 18 last year and i didnt had that feeling,he pracced alot and arrived to this lvl,it is possible....i did that last summer and i arrived to a very top lvl (i think few remmember that) but then lost interest when edl and leagues started.
David is a suspicous case,he was barely good then became a top dueler who arrived 2nd in EDL last season,some say he cheat and some not,but who knows,if he cheats that means he is the most noob player that you can ever see,if he dont,thats a big surprise.
only evidence can proove that,no experience and no anything,just a demo.
david -playing quite regularly, both last edl season and this ongoing, he is visible on servers from times to times, if he was/is faking a lot as well, i say he was/is fully prepared for some serious edl playtime.
dami -is an 0ldschool player wiz respectful behaviour even if he tend to rage quit too often, this means he would hardly fake when he plays, like most respectful 0ldschoolers (read: PURRI). These days you are lucky if you ever catch damiah on a server, yez u can deffy say there is some serious inactivity going on for dami for this edl season (also the previous). (this is no excuse ofc, since he knew what he is facing when he participate the edl....so a bit strange he doesnt give more time to it.)
Mindset::
david -young and energetic and a skilled player with smart and speedy tactics, lots of good aim. This brute force could make nublita cry out loud if he ever would dare to meet this power....ofc he would blame him for cheatin' (i will come to that below) and then rage quit. 0ld news, ofc. This guy has all what it needs to become one of the legendary.
dami -this guy owns serious experience of this game, that said, if he pull out his seriousness in the game to the fullest extent that will make tough ones even the best players today a hard time to overcome and take a lead. Steady aim, rails can match the best purri can pull of, and sometimes extremely smart rocket placements and prediction shots. A guy that has mastered the game - simply. (edl hitsory speak of that.)
Cheats?::
david -no one can say to 100%. really, or it would be a closed case a long time ago or he would be banned a long time ago. that's the proof all along. So we can all speculate. but xian does give some good points, one make u think. Ofc, if he did and still does what zatoichi said would be spot on: "If david is a cheater,than he is the most stupid ever exist!!! He loose the final to purri?!?" .. But, did he ?! I won't say what i personally think, but if he does not cheat, we owe him all respect he all along deserved; a groundbreaking achievement from a newcomer.
dami -dami has been around for too long time, it's too obvious he does not cheat. Sorry - case is closed.
Potentials::
david -gave purri such pressing games last edl final, and is showing to be in shape this season, he has the potential to win it all. Dami and purri are still strong but they suffer from more or less inactivity, it's really isn't that hard to see. But like i said, no excuses still (!), you join up a league (DIV 1 !!!) u know it's gonna be tough, so be ready! Also, the maps can't be excused like they hardly know them. they knew long time before they started to play the map pool. so go learn them, simply. stop these excuses. u wanna win, master the league layout and ur gamestyle, smth david is showing a bit more of in case vs. dami.
dami -quitting the 2nd map shows bad sports behaviour, sad to see this happen by an overall respected top-notch player. Things like this can damage dami's potentials by seemingly giving up too easily. But this is only a small detail, ofc. His inactivity is reflected in his aim nowadays. Watch the amazing *EDl #4* frag-movie (highlights from edl4) and see what dami can truly be made of, this sort of aim is missing these days. He need to shape up in order to have a chance to beat david and purri that is taking this edl more seriously eg. praccing more / does not give up.
This will kick you for use with a proxy if used with anticheat, even though there's no cheating involved in it. As for the modified client, I was testing the fact that modifying a client even a single bit would kick you, and I was right.
im not sure, why u would say, u need acstats to use a wallhack, since this is only if the players are caught on a well known and confirmed wallhack, if they use them undetected, they should be able to connect to the server, without getting any acstats, and play with wallhack, without any problems.
and like i said, if u are caught on wallhack, there is four different log types, unknown renderer, means it was either an unknown modified video ref file, wallhack or not.
modified client can be modified video ref file with new cvar addons, a modified client, or an unknown wallhack, but the wallhack is not known, it just modify the memory or the client.
one example, of modified client kick wallhack, is the well known asus wallhack, for counter strike, its not known as wallhack, but will instead kick for modified client.
if the wallhack is known, on the ac server, it will get a kick for wallhack.
Delita ,listen dushbag : U are not even close to intelligent,dont dare to copmare to intelligent people.U are stupid wankster ,a quiter ,a whiner and not at last a bescumber! Go Spraying whit ur shit fire somewhere u belong- u human excrement.....Trollolol
Is that all you do Z1on? Brand the people who actually have something intelligent to say the Trolololol people... or whatever the fuck it's supposed to mean.
Well guess what dipshit. I can prove pretty much everything I say, so this Trolololo just owned you.
Scenario: OMG! he just said something that may jepodise my hero players reputation! Let's brand him as a trololol quick so no one listens to his facts!...
So lets write the parcer for every day edl and other channels logs that will be check ip on acstat and save stats in database or mr. R1CH will provide us with those info. imho this information must be in public, without search with ip, just list of "suspecious" ip, nicknames and hacks types.
FJk a lot of people like Delita,Razor,mrt - dude check it historically - They are for sure the TROlollol people at q2scene ! Razor-the cheater kaputt,dELITA -THE QUITER,MRT- THE TROLL !
A lot of people you know are also suspicious of David. This should not come off as a surprise. Why do you think completely reasonable claims of illegitimacy are just "TROlollol "?
What we do? Purri: After seeing some of the whine here, I decided to check the ztn2dm3 game from David's pov, and he is 'clean' to me. Nothing strange, and everything that happen I could see why, and also since I watched for weird things I noticed that he made a lot of mistakes that people who 'cheat' would not make emo
This is based only on the ztn2dm3 game.
Good game though.
Edited: 2011-03-12 11:18 We need more top duelers opinions for sure!If david is a cheater,than he is the most stupid ever exist!!! He loose the final to purri?!? And Father JOke stfu ,if purri was playing only q2 entire hes career as a dueler ,he will be on top atleast +3 titles more.If Scoobs dont leave to USA,the Polls should have gold ... Anything else is just TROlollol by people like mrt razor and etc...
In one age we could have interest (just to view something) and in other haven't at all.
This edge line is various for different people. And there are much more factors.
"There's no excuse for using an aimbot." - of course. And my previous post was about "probability age when is more common to use cheats". If someone will be 30 years old, than probability that he use cheats -> 0 (if we have big sample of 30 years people) against "17-20" sample. just statistics =)
By the way, even Razor has a point in some of those logs.
"<ShaoKahn> I can explain....a lot of q2 players have these problems...sometimes player was kicked ....it's a bug in communication with graphic drivers - NOTHING ELSE"
^ Bullshit.
IF David is indeed hacking, then people will always be able to see through it through all the demos he's REQUIRED TO POST. Why are people so surprised that people think someone who's been playing TDM for only a few years isn't legitimate? If he's not hacking, then he's not hacking. Don't act like there's nothing suspicious about him, when it's obvious that everyone who's accusing him is using basic common sense.
"I'm neither a Damiah or David fan, nor anyone elses fan. However, it looks like David struggled to beat Damiah on rdm2 and that Damiah doesn't know rdm5 hardly at all. So common sense and statistics kind of dictate that if he was active in Quake 2 he probably would have beat David. I stress the word probably because Quake 2 has many other performance effecting factors like luck, mental state, tiredness and so forth."
He's got a point, you know.
I'm sure that if Damiah was active, he would be raping just as hard as David. You forget in EDL #3 that Damiah only lost one map as well? Not to mention that was when good people like syanid, PURRI, and Turricane were all active.
And rl, nice contradiction there. You're wondering where the "mother-russia-poland-attitude" is and then you say that "aters raging cause their superdami got raped". Besides, don't you find it funny that nearly all of the people who were responding to this match were Poles? No one's trying to downplay David's skill, Revo's only trying to prove people wrong that "there's not opponent for david", even though most of the people he plays in EDL are entirely inactive, hence Delita's point; only saying that it was a gg, and things could have been different. Seeing David go up against people like Damiah or PURRI who are active and playing regularaly would definitely be a good game, and would definitely see who is better.
Pomidor: There's no excuse for using an aimbot. If you're 11 or 13, then maybe you can see past it, but 17 to 18 is more than old enough to be smart enough not to cheat. Age isn't a factor in this situation.
I've kicked from some servers due "modified files" and after removing that files from paks connection to servers works properly and my "hall of shame" is empty. Never had kicked for video =) -> ShaoKan
"<nrk> hes 18yrs old kid and if he cheat no surprise here"
Indeed. When I was 17-18 i had tried to use wallhack and aimbot in q2. May be its normal for this age.
P.S. My phrase doesn't reference to David, its just general argument.
this is from edl channel some months ago when all pols acted the same against purri talking shit bc purri was beaten by david, and i started to call david out in public, bc when i specced him during his game i was some fishy things, and along with that he was defended by another cheater, shao khan, whitch have been logged by ac multiple times for his attempt to use a known wallhack and ratbot.
btw, another suspectious thing, is how he desperatly sent me a private message, for calling him out in public, whith i kept asking him about the acstats and he acted all nervous and refused to give me any info about his acstats, even in private message, and started to claim his laptop was broken, to avoid to answer my repeated question, and even after he never answered it after that either, whitch a cheater, did for him instead.
ac is not foolproof, and never will be, its just a shitty attempt to create a legit game, but sadly there is ways around, i wont tell in public how it is done, or how u can do it, and maybe we can get an answer from david, about those youtube videos, and his acstats?
another thing for server admins, hashlists wont protect against the usage of wallhacks and aimbot, whitch i see many players think, on a server with good hashlists u cant cheat, whitch is a false statement since hashlists was created to only check for modified models and sounds.
notice that, even if his acstats dont say wallhack, modified client and unknown renderer, its most times false positive, but can be wallhack as well, i know from my own experience, like if u create a vidoe ref .dll wallhack or patch any video ref wallhack thru memory, it will show up as unknown renderer, or if u add a cvar to the wallhack to toggle it in game via the console it will show up as modified client, but there is cases where wallhacked opengl drivers will show up as modified client as well.
it also reminds me, how all russians said combi didnt aimbot against purri, same as all pols wouldnt say david is playing on wallhack, bc he is their superhero, even thought i could name a few pols that do play on wallhack under ac, and i wouldnt be surprised at all if david do as well.
it would be good, if rich also came and explained what those acstats was, it says unknown rendere,r and modified client, but if it was a false positive, or not, is hard to know since it doesnt give any further info about it.
im going back on topic, also here is those logs, from david, now any comments about it? why was he nervous about it? if he doesnt cheat then why act suspectious? is he afraid to lose his superstar fans? is he afraid to not be an idol anymore?
<xddd> www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gEgve03rUo <xddd> www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNnApczAnp8 <xddd> www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvbMt7nefbE <xddd> http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=91.196.48.186&t=c <xddd> gg wallhack? <platin> trojan? <xddd> david and his new found super power, xray vision <xddd> ;] <platin> lol busted <nrk> its 1year old videos <xddd> doesnt matter <xddd> his walls still works probably <xddd> or he got backup of new walls <merlin> David >>>> NR 1 !!!!!!!!!!! <xddd> of cheating? corrent <xddd> correct <nrk> hes 18yrs old kid and if he cheat no surprise here <v3David> lol <v3David> guys <xddd> david what do u have to say to ur defense? <xddd> http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=91.196.48.186&t=c <- u can begin here <xddd> ) <xddd> ;o <v3David> u want demo from this day? <v3David> and screens? <xddd> doesnt matter u turned them off <xddd> and david <xddd> i wasnt asking for screenshots or demo <xddd> i was asking what this is <xddd> http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=91.196.48.186&t=c <- <xddd> i want to hear what u say first before we ask r1ch <myrmidon---> david <myrmidon---> hate to tell you <v3David> u can ask r1ch <myrmidon---> but i saw your hacks without the need for demos <fi3ber> we want ur clothes, ur boots and ur wh ;D <myrmidon---> you're actually pretty obvious hacker <xddd> <myrmidon---> you're actually pretty obvious hacker <xddd> word <ShaoKahn> I can explain....a lot of q2 players have these problems...sometimes player was kicked ....it's a bug in communication with graphic drivers - NOTHING ELSE <xddd> http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=87.205.236.76&t=c <xddd> http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=109.231.26.193&t=c <xddd> no surprise, another polish hacker defending a hacker <xddd> gg? <ShaoKahn> LOL <xddd> im pretty sure this ratbot was a graphic driver bug too? <xddd> right? <ShaoKahn> these cases are explained <ShaoKahn> ratbot? <xddd> ya <ShaoKahn> You're so funny <ShaoKahn> ask r1ch <xddd> i will <xddd> i will <ShaoKahn> he know how too explain <ShaoKahn> i don't have any proxy, any ratbot, and play once a month <xddd> im sure nobody in poland cheats <xddd> xd <ShaoKahn> i didnt tell that <ShaoKahn> cheaters are everywhere <ShaoKahn> in Poland too <ShaoKahn> but not David <xddd> oh, not david, ofc not, those youtube videos must be faked <xddd> someone hacked his demos to aim through walls <xddd> my bad <ShaoKahn> ok <xddd> cleaner is another one? <ShaoKahn> David is a cheater <ShaoKahn> better? <ShaoKahn> fell better? <ShaoKahn> feel* <xddd> this i already knew <xddd> but couldnt he defend his own acstat and u defend ur? <ShaoKahn> I dont* <ShaoKahn> he said, that after all matches he win he must explain he isnt cheater <xddd> maybe tell him to get a cam and record his own game? <ShaoKahn> xddd - David is a cheater, ok? <ShaoKahn> and we'll finish with that <xddd> yes <xddd> david send wallhack to r1ch please <ShaoKahn> He recorded game in last EDL <APKIS^^> xddd, whatever is he a cheater or not. Its not your business. You CAN'T prove it. If he wins without cheats, he is a man. If he finds an easier way to win with cheats its his own choice. <ShaoKahn> beacuse of polish people similiar to You <ShaoKahn>
and then after, he also sent me a private message, notice he is nervous, when i keep asking him about his acstats.
<v3David> hey <xddd> hi <v3David> why u hate me? <xddd> i dont <xddd> just want the truth <v3David> i have movie from david vs purri @duel5 <v3David> u must wait for this movie <xddd> can i see through walls in them? <xddd> ok <v3David> bb <v3David> yes <xddd> but wait <xddd> u still didnt explain this yet <xddd> http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=91.196.48.186&t=c <v3David> u must wait, my laptop is actually broken <v3David> brb
rl, before I stopped playing Quake 2, which was about 5, 6 weeks ago, David was extremely active. He used a lot of fake names (which many wannabes do) but you could always tell it was him. How? Because he's the most obvious hacker going.
I'm neither a Damiah or David fan, nor anyone elses fan. However, it looks like David struggled to beat Damiah on rdm2 and that Damiah doesn't know rdm5 hardly at all. So common sense and statistics kind of dictate that if he was active in Quake 2 he probably would have beat David. I stress the word probably because Quake 2 has many other performance effecting factors like luck, mental state, tiredness and so forth.
You see it's a good idea to understand Quake 2 and player ability properly before you start talking about who's good and who's bad and how it all is...
revo, first of all, where's that "for mother russia style" here? cause i can't see it...actualy, i can, i see you and some haters raging cause their superdami got raped, twice. second, david beat everyone, lost only one map in the groupstage. and the last question, are you segesting that whole q2 scene is inactive and only david plays 24/7? i bet he is as active as damiah...
Life isn't black and white like winning and losing isn't. There are reasons for winning and losing which fall into the grey areas.
You know I watched a film the other day were a kid says to his dad 'whatever' and his dad replies 'that's what is wrong with the world today'.
Me and a lot of other people have quit Quake 2 over the last year due to the whole 'whatever, I don't care' attitude in Quake 2. It's the whatever attitude that has filled the scene with a bunch of moronic kids. It's the whatever attitude that has watered down the standard of playing and learning in Quake 2.
I guess someone will prove my point now with a 'Delita Joke'. Well this isn't a popularity contest, it's Quake 2 and non of you stood a chance against me in that arena. So guess what, I don't care.
rl, as i've mentioned before, i dont care who wins, and i dont say that David sucks because he dont, hes a top-dueller. But still, some polish players think that David is unbeatable just because he beats an old-school top-dueller that doesn't play anything at all right now. So IF Damiah would be active i think the score would have turned out differently. Thats all i say. But your "mother-russian-wannabe"-style doesn't seem to want to understand that.
i can't really believe what happend to you revo. i thought you're a normal guy, but you sound like a swedish ver. of delita (which is prolly the worst possible insult).
feeble, its not about being jelous at all, actually Delita got a point. David is WAY more active than Damiah. If Damiah would be as active as David i think the score would be different. So this "wtf-our-polish-dueller-is-the-best-in-the-world-there-are-no- opponents-for-him"-attitude is so stupid and its kinda sad that some players from poland dont seem to understand that IF you are inactive in div1 you just wont have a chance against top-duellers that are active.
Damiah
or mr. R1CH will provide us with those info. imho this information must be in public, without search with ip, just list of "suspecious" ip, nicknames and hacks types.
Anything else is just TROlollol by people like mrt razor and etc... 
The last person on earth we need to listen.This one is for u I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating! fff Scum 
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