I do not want to defend David, because I do not even play this game anymore. I just entered the site out of curiosity and I see the same dude - Delita - yelling about cheaters. This made me log in and post.
Duuude, maybe you are right, maybe there are cheaters, but let me remind you - you have been always accusing me of using wallhacks and/or aimbots. And the truth is I have never used one. Check all my demos available if you want, you won't find anything. I HAVE NEVER used a single hack and yet you just kept calling me a cheater.
This comment is only posted to remind you that the fact that someone plays better than you (even if it goes beyond the level of your perception), it still does not mean that the guy cheats. It might be that he is simply better.
And let me repeat - I am not defending David, since I do not know anything about what is happening on the scene right now.
<@[W]haunted> i haven't even given my stance on david in the thread, i've just been keeping matters simple and straightforward and not letting people use superiority complexes and q2 history lessons as debate tactics <@[W]haunted> the "best" player should not have to do that. <@[W]haunted> so really my actions are under the assumption that he's legit .. <@[W]haunted> norman posted david's pak and it's modified from the one he uses in EDL, and the entire basis of his point was that it was unmodified..... that was pointed out this morning
O.K 1.No ,i do it on purpose! (dont need to copy paste my text again) 2.I dont accusing Numa or Stig for real,only pro4life ,do u remember the proof u send me pro4life using colorbot and wh (short memory?) 3.U are gay at all For me ,most important to know pro4life is cheater ,second to uni - Ma3X servers rcon will be forbidden for idiot who will use it to crashed q2 of the small group of newbies left in q2 Bulgaria.And yes i was talking to Isbj and Welkin what is your plans to ruined ppl games (If they take it serious -dunno,this is not my problem) Actually i fucked up ur plans ruining Purri vs K1ru game ,do u remember how u muted me ,when i was trying to expose ur plans .Not at last ,MG crashed quake2 by u... 4.U are owned ur self from the beggining,highlited how many times u was able to cheat ,hax or whatever (admins must banned u from every server).And to OWNAGE U BADDLY - i have no problem the public to know i was wanted to use cbot after edl (i will share it with admins again,before use it),admins know about spiked models (pak experiments) Now u can cry like a baby again (i was serious as max possible)
zion, idiot, this screenie shows i used rcon, and unibg was in the server, unlike u, and he changed it after he saw me using it, so try another melody, on the lie flute,
and u also left some questions, without an answer, but maybe u can fill in those missing holes, and dont reply with insult, and say something like u mad bro, razorass, or being racists to muerte, or a jackass to myrmidon, now could u do that? old mate? pal? bud? bug?
1: in my first log, u also agreed david was cheating in those links, and now u said he isnt suspectious at all? even thought u said he was, months ago.
2: its also funny, u are accusing legit players like numa, stg, pro4life, and nobody else did, and yet, u dont agree on those david videos ppl does suspect.
3: and u also claim, u talked to me, to make a closer relation with me, oh god, that sounds so gay, to get so called info? what info? and for who? unibg? edl admin?
4: now when i made my logs public, i ruined ur little plan, or u are just mad bc i highlighted, when u was asking me for hax to use after edl?.... oh snap.
now, a few fun facts, i think everyone remember clan for fun, a polish cheat clan, who was instantly banned from poland, for wallhacking, as u can see in those youtube links, it shows rydel finding a railgun in the lava, and they also picked on pops for old acstats, whitch made them banned from euroq2l.
1: rydel was doing suspectious things like finding the rail in the lava, banned, and pops had acstats, whitch u can clearly see thry pick on him for, in the thread above, both banned.
2: david was aiming thru walls in not just one but many situations, accepted and defended by pols, and david also have acstats, still playing in edl, not banned.
this is cheating? not accepted by players, it was instant ban, for everyone in the clan?
suspectious play from both part, rydel finding a rail in the lava, david aiming thru walls and pointing crosshair on ppl, rydel banned, david not banned.
is it just me, or is someone obviously not following the anticheat policy, in those league rules?
wtf, i want to be part of this as well, look, i pwned a bad, no skilled bulgarian, in his home server, with his lan ping, and using a laggy dial up modem, trolololl.
zion, u mad bro? funny english, i ownage with roket trish models, bc its so eazy, tnx zionass, i sendet screenie, how poor u are?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BOG4p1-H2Q Another FinLeSS skilled ppl i was ownage so bad in servers.Hello Hibruvagina The poor kid never finished a single league
U mad bro? What a wisdom from a belgian idiot who was trying to cheat... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BOG4p1-H2Q Gretha one free blow job from ur mother?
U mad bro ? Can u read closer "after edl" Did i ask u again ? Ring a bells in ur mindlagged brain? All i need is to show some interest on u,and u start to provide info In case u forgot I agreed that only to make a closer relations with u Thanks to that i was able to stop Uni gives u the control on ma3x servers (rcon) Thanks to that i informed admins for ur plans ruining games of the ppl , and the truth about pro4life actually finally u gives me a proof and a confirmation he is a wh and cbot user (sendet by u)I gained the needed info and send u cry like a baby Tnx Razorass I appreciated your stupidness Go expose how many times u was cheating hahaah
Session Start: Sat Dec 24 20:56:53 2011 Session Ident: Z1on_bg
<Z1on_bg> yo <Z1on_bg> sup dude <Z1on_bg> i remember in ma3x u raped DM <Z1on_bg> <Z1on_bg> on ztn2dm34 <Raylis> i have lots of demos <Raylis> from that time <Z1on_bg> he say u are a kido <Raylis> when i used bot there on ma3x <Raylis> and unibg didnt even ban xD <Z1on_bg> <Z1on_bg> he is nice person <Z1on_bg> no need to ban u <Raylis> yea <Z1on_bg> <Raylis> i stole his rcon password once <Z1on_bg> as u remember i just ask u to stop <Z1on_bg> nothing else <Z1on_bg> <Raylis> also, i cracked his pw <Raylis> with an rcon guesser <Z1on_bg> can u make bots for ql <Z1on_bg> <Raylis> idk <Z1on_bg> hmmm <Raylis> i dont play ql and since its web browser game idk <Raylis> ofc color aimbot works on any game so u can use it there but colorbot sux <Z1on_bg> <Z1on_bg> yeah will be a bit hard <Z1on_bg> colorbot on ma3x whit my ping will be deadly as hell <Z1on_bg> like pro4lifge used vs me <Z1on_bg> and i think he have a wh <Z1on_bg> i want to try colorbot <Z1on_bg> but myetic is hard <Raylis> xd <Raylis> they make ur aim more stable but they are crap on pings higher than 40 <Z1on_bg> blah <Z1on_bg> after i finish edl u will send me colorbot <Z1on_bg> to try <Z1on_bg> ahahhaha <Raylis> xd <Raylis> xd
yea, i was doing some log reading and came across more, when u was asking me to send u pixel aimbot.
U mad bro? I agreed that only to make a closer relations with u Thanks to that i was able to stop Uni gives u the control on ma3x. Thanks to that i informed admins for ur plans ruining games of the ppl , and the truth about pro4life actually finally u gives me a proof and a confirmation he is a wh and cbot user (sendet by u)I gained the needed info and send u cry like a baby Tnx Razorass I appreciated your stupidness
Session Start: Fri Dec 23 21:34:17 2011 Session Ident: z1on_bg
<Raylis> xd <Raylis> hi! <Raylis> numavezi is such cheater <Raylis> ;p <Z1on_bg> hi sec <Raylis> u and unibg searched for his cheats? ;o <Z1on_bg> <Z1on_bg> yeap <Raylis> what cheats u think he got? <Z1on_bg> but he thinks he is not cheater <Z1on_bg> i think wh <Z1on_bg> for me he is using it <Z1on_bg> who do u suspect <Z1on_bg> david numa who else <Z1on_bg> ? <Raylis> cleaner <Raylis> there was demo of him with color bot <Z1on_bg> he is <Z1on_bg> i know <Z1on_bg> but who else <Z1on_bg> we have 3 now <Z1on_bg> <Raylis> so anyone else u suspect? <Z1on_bg> <Z1on_bg> numa for sure <Z1on_bg> else <Z1on_bg> hmmm <Raylis> david? <Z1on_bg> u know pro4life for me is a cheater <Raylis> xd <Raylis> no he isnt <Z1on_bg> cheater <Z1on_bg> david not sure <Z1on_bg> looks like in some moments <Z1on_bg> before stigmata <Z1on_bg> was suspisouse <Z1on_bg>
now i show zion, the irc logs, of david both in edl and private message, whitch was posted in a previous thread.
<Z1on_bg> ok ill read now <Z1on_bg> <Raylis> this was right after the match when purri lost <Raylis> xD <Raylis> and i call him out in front of everyone <Raylis> ;] <Z1on_bg> what is that movie bulshit <Z1on_bg> <Raylis> its david cheating <Z1on_bg> something wrong <Z1on_bg> <Raylis> its cheat <Raylis> or whats wrong? <Z1on_bg> on duel5 was obviusly <Z1on_bg> what he saying <Z1on_bg> obiously cheat on duel5 <Z1on_bg>
zion agreed, with this link below is a cheat, and now, he says david is not suspectious at all, and yet, he is accusing legit players like numa, stg, pro4life, and even obviously bc all of them they rape the shit out of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gEgve03rUo
and zion, rememeber, david is not a suspectios case, not at all, i swear he isnt.
U mad bro? Its faster ,eazy and admins knows ,so faggot dont waste my time with ur pathetic poor person
Ac tells me everyting have to be removed to make this pak allowed and playable in ac servers dumber ,thats why iam in public ac server,not in lan .Damn u are really really the dumbest cheater around P.S Admins ,promoting cheats in q2scene is allowed??? :? How poor u are ?
yea, watch it, or i will come play u with modified roket trish files, and ac helps u local host? god, what a moron, open pak, delete models folder, done.
saves u showing up in ac hall of shame, for spiked model, everytime u test ur new pak cheats, ur fucking moron, and btw, not all spiked models, will show up in hall of shame, only those who rich got a copy of, as i got some models, that wont show up at all, and if i used them, in ac server, i would just get a notify.
U mad bro? My english is good enough to understand me -u are faggot,no skilled,poor and pahtetic cheater So 1.In local host ac helps me,being kicked for using spiked models-rokets gl/nades,or trish files on rokets etc.Than retard who is claimed to be so good and not using hax i go to pak and fix it Ac helps me a lot ,to find the problems that makes it forbidden 2.I beat u even when u hax in ma3x,even when u fake ,u cant hide ur connection ip location dumber (oh btw u was busted by ma3x ac many times ,so claiming ur hax ar so awesome is a bit funny ) Thats makes u a poor excuse of a human life form .... 3.I dont see any reason David to be called a cheater ,wh user or whatever ,thats gives you 2nd level of being poor pathetic cheater ever! trololo P.S: And i start to support Norman -ban till life for u razorass,promoting xproject (ur hax website)in q2scene is incriminating (admins? )
zion, now once again, trying to read ur broken and very retarded attempt to speak english, i found some funny stuff.
1: u claim to make paks, yet u are dumb enuff, to try them online and not localhost, and check if there is any models that shouldnt be.
if u are making paks, how dumb are u to not check the models folder in the pak, and then after delete it. bc there is no legit reason to have changed rocket, grenade, player models or even other models, as i saw a lame example of spiked models, for items designed for q2dm1 and q2dm3, in a so called old school pak.
2: once again, u claim u have beat me in duel, yet we have only dueled like two times, where i won both. once on dial up vs u in bg server, and one time on stanox.
3: even again, u call me a cheater, but backing up david, a player who is highly suspectious, even by players like pogo, etc.
4: if purris opinion matter, or not, doesnt mean david doesnt hack, bc he said so. one good example was against the russian combi, and all russians said he didnt cheat at all, and purri didnt say anything about it, or even notice, until he watched combis pov from his demo, whitch u can clearly see from my link above.
if u scroll down, to haunteds post, there is also comments from purri, about this game, but i dont know where it was taken from.
5: no, rl, nobody is mad over david so called winning, yet i find it funny, another pole comes here to davids rescue, and not see david himself here, defendimg himself.
6: mirr may be a loud mouth bragging moron but him, along with everyone else, who does have eyes to see with, can see there is something fishy with murtes videos.
Razorass u mad bro? That was Maguss-pak with spiked models gl/nades, that will be my next pak to modified (if i stay to play q2 for future) ,really good creation with grey textures on all maps.(red & blue skins) Reason - i was asked to create a quake 2 for one newbie bulgarian nickname Mizik or Muzikant4e he wants some other paks to test ,so i make another quake on hes tastes. I dont check and remember every pak that can be conteining some shit on it ..they are so many paks(old pp paksl from 2000/2001 like Sazza (sweden) Demised,Egg-gammal and many many others ).For ppl info ,admins know i was trying that ,u can ask Isbjorn or Welkin how exited i was So dumbest cheater or Haxor u can shut up now
Delita i started q2 1998 and stop it in early 2000 ( I was started SC Broodwar -2x2 Second best team in Bulgaria till 2003 ) Than 2007 i started again ,till 2012. I dont think is few years. But i dont call my self ppl...Iam here to have fun,make some frags on fags like Razorass,who cant beat newbies without wh or aimbot Oh and there is no solid proof....
purris opinion doesn't mean shit and there is proof. It's like saying UFO's don't exist. Even though there isn't any solid proof it's just conventional wisdom to accept it or you get laughed at.
Also, half of you only started playing Quake 2 a few years ago and have no authority or experience to talk about this what so ever.
Why Purri whould not saying anything,if he is suspicious?Thats no sens for me,he is the one who will suffer IF there is something... About acstats ,man i am there 2 ,like 70% of the ppl (something interesting -Murto is a client of acstats also ... ) In my case ,back in the early years,i was frustrating and delete my q2 often,starting to develop new one,and there was the paks (fuskies.pak) i was attracted really,but i was kicked every time from the ac servers ,than i was strating to wonder why. Reason-spiked models rokets ( i find it attractive ,but not aloud ) So welcome Z1on.bg to acstats..... Actualy i take the attention to this,and what it is after developed my Z1on1kz .pak,using pakscape i was modified many paks to make pak that fits me perfect .(to find the perfect parts .i was trying over 50 paks! ) So my point is ,maybe David testing something ,who knows? Actually i can make some noice about AID[rus] vs me in previous edl he was kicked for using proxy ,is that acstats make me cheater for being testing and trying to develop a pak??? You mentioned Isbjorn ,damiah etc,well than is AID a cheater ?
I also respect Purri opinion, but let me tell u somethin, if he would be suspicious about David he wouldnt tell you that or to somebody else on q2scene. And tbh let me understand somethin: why there is no such accusations for purri damiah isbjorn etc ? and only for David . All of those mentioned above are pretty in the same level of skill. And also make me understand what is with those acstats : http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=91.196.48.186 http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=91.196.48.194 http://acstats.r1.cx/?ip=91.196.48.19
Isnt this no enough proof to be suspicios? why not? pls explain cause i m not into this... i just play.
Yup kinezu, maybe sombrero was stupid or maybe he wants to show it. Who knows? I actually was talking about the very pro ppl to say something (Purry say it David is legit on ztn3 vs wst game) But lets face it ,this proofs are weak. Check ur demos with wh ,how many similar actions can u find ?Or other ppl on high level. Thats makes u cheater or haxor or whatever it is ? There is something Focalor post in murteq2hatescene (about ur post ,david time out vs Isbjorn and the follow text ,just short copy paste of it) @ Not sure exactly what you're trying to say here. But NO, there is no real reason for someone to change their video driver in the middle of a game. You're either gonna use ref_gl.dll or ref_r1gl.dll. I highly doubt that ANYONE has a working 3dfx card anymore and uses it to play quake2 currently. Dunno why a client would echo back something like "could not load opengl32.dllclear". That isn't normal AT ALL. That's gotta be a user created error, meaning something is functioning improperly with the game config file that someone edited themselves. The "clear" part on the end is rather puzzling too
Till there is no solid proof and Purri opinion i will not switch my position.
norman, why ban razor... we already know he will not be able to play any league or he s banned from some servers already. We already know he used cheats and troll... why not listenin his opinion also ? i say it really make sense to read razor s opinion on this...
and btw... with the risk of being called stupid... can you please translate this ? cause google translator sux
"David called a time out. Match will resume automatically in 5:00. Match paused. Use 'time' again to resume play. David: wtf is this command David: coultn exec opengl32dllcear Player: what David: wtf? David: its like echo David: u have too? IsBjorn: ? norman: ocb dav? David: wyskakuje mi komenda David: we posatci echa David: ze nie moze wczytac opengl32.dllclear David: zeby nie bylo norman: spam ? David: ze jakies kurwa wh David: nie David: ale wsyaksuje David: co jakis czas David: lekko wkurwia David: zeby mnie nie wyjebalo norman: wczytales swoj cfg? Cazer Sozze: byla komenda na echho off David: wczytalem heatme: lol David: teraz nic IsBjorn: whats going on? David: no chuj David: k, go norman: graj Game resuming in 10 seconds. Match time remaining: 14:21 IsBjorn: ok David: sorry 5 4 3 2 1 Fight!" i m sorry if i put u in this situation, there s no harm intented ... i just want to belive david doenst cheat and is pure skill and talent... that would be awsome, so, to so many suspicions must come also proves he s innocent.
zion wrote: "Actually there is not a single good proof for David cheating ,and there is so many demos of him! "
zion, u might all know this case: http://www.esreality.com/post/1627195/sombra-banned-for-life/ There wasnt any proof or hard suspicion or whatever until the guy sent ss with wh
I don't ever remember calling Provi a cheater.... and I've only ever played him once which was many years ago before you probably even played.
I've played Quake since 1998 and I'm 27 years old. That means I've played and studied the game almost half my life. I think I understand Quake and cheaters a lot better than you and a lot of other people.
Maybe u are very dumb delita, or u have a short memory ,maybe both..... Provi is a cheater 100% ,DM is a cheater 100 % that was ur words not mine You have so many "skillz" ,but quake 2 is not one of them ))
There is lots of evidence is videos and demos of David cheating. You're just too stupid or not good enough to recognise it. Provi doesn't cheat... but DM might be a cheater. I still find it strange how bad DM's aim is in Quakelive compared to Quake 2. To me that just doesn't make sense.
You're fighting a losing battle z1on. I knew David was a cheater from the first time I saw him play to be honest, and there are a lot of other Polish cheaters playing that people haven't realised yet either.
Poor razor ... Give the troll attention,actually he promotes hes cheats now There is one thing i was upset : razor the kaputt words - nah, i dont suck at this game, u have prolly never seen me play, and i play all time legit, and what i find funny, is that all pols gets upset when someone post about david. U mad bro ? U are all the time legit??? U suck so bad ,to be raped by me using ur hax ,this is noobness + suckness = raziur How Poor can u be really
Actually there is not a single good proof for David cheating ,and there is so many demos of him! And Delita thinks Provi is a cheater also ,like DM and etc.Maybe some polls need to check Provi and DM demos for hax ? Posting noob videos on utube is actual this days Trololol P.S: Some one must ask razorass how many times he fakes with David nickname
So pity it kills interest to Quake 2. Maybe some little guy fool old ones and laughing. Sometimes I drive through Poland and (of course if David agrees) I can visit his city and spectate his game vs Purri (for example) to prove he's not cheating
The difference Norman is that everyone knows Razor is a hacker and it's obvious. However, people are taking David to be some kind of Quake 2 god when he is just clearly a cheater. Poland is getting a really bad reputation for being cheaters these days and I bumped in to a Polish clan on Quakelive last night who were kicked from a league for cheating, and it was pretty obvious why. So you can say David doesn't cheat as much as you like but there is a lot more evidence and probability that he does that just nullifies your 'word'.
so a murderer who kills people but also helps them from time to time isnt a real murderer?
I know enough about u to make this statement, and i dont care what have u done to make the servers safier when i know how many players were tired of you and your presence on servers with cheats - many of them left quake2, and they cant enjoy the game they loved.
and yes u suck at this game.
about the vid - well that made me laughed and a bit proud at the same time.
video by muerte, now let me ask, did david share his walls with u, or something? and wtf do u know about me? u can ask welkin, that i helped with some stuff, a real cheater wouldnt want the servers to become more secure. many hash lists in some servers were really badly setup, whitch would allowed players in edl, to gain advantage, by using spikes etc, but since i could inform welkin, whitch servers that didnt have proper checks, for player models, for example, i could tell him, and he would contact the admin.
nah, i dont suck at this game, u have prolly never seen me play, and i play all time legit, and what i find funny, is that all pols gets upset when someone post about david.
zion, another member of club david, so now u can kiss his ass too, while u are at it.
yea, any cheat like wh, etc that is undetected by ac, should pretty much work in all servers, since hash lists is not part of anticheats detection, of wallhack, aimbot, etc.
notice i posted a list of videos, i recorded with fraps, while using cheats ac valid, one of them in digitalfrag nl.
me and welkin did tests also, some weeks ago, this to show him as edl admin, it was possible.
and yea, my bad, i know there is not much proof yet, only alot of suspections.
please ban razor on the edl website as he should be banned everywhere.
just a troll & cheater who says he wants the leagues to be safier ruining the game for many ppl day by day.
how stupid is that?
can't even answer your arguments cause i feel its a waste of time.
only thing u showed there is that u have many working cheats on ac servers and still looking at your demos with cheats on u sucks so hard at this game that its impossible to discuss some duel game aspects with you.
So those cheats still works in any ac server, e.g. Digitalfrag DE ?
"but having a cheater in a league, is an even bigger problem" - indeed.
But there isn't any 100% proof if David really cheats. For me much more likely that he cheats, than not (simple induction). So we can only think how to make game more safer.
my previous post, was not to brag, or even downgrade the usage of ac, or think i am super cool bc i am able to get cheats past ac, or even smacktalk someone, it was more to open ppls eyes, about this situation, bc having a cheater in a server, is a problem, but having a cheater in a league, is an even bigger problem.
and there is also rumors, that rich dont even work on ac anymore, since he is now part of team liquid, and another ac solution i dont think we will see.
zion, i dont recommend u calling me a cheater, bc a cheater is someone, who plays with cheats, to gain an advantage to win, and those times i used cheats, i did it obvious, to troll, or to prove a point, not to win, but when someone, who sux like u, call someone cheat, its obvious how much u suck, and 99% chance the one u accused was legit.
imo, ac stopped being trust worthy to me, already as late as back in 2009, it was also the time, when i saw that spiked models unknown to ac server, could be used with ac, and pixel aimbot, whitch is a scipt used in games, like cs, and works perfectly in quake as well, since it aims for pixel colors on fullbright skins, but it needs very low ping to be effective, and then i saw polish festival bragging about his ac proof wallhack on a cheater forum, and also in euroq2l channel only less than two years ago.
and dont nag on apr, bc its used in those screenies, bc clients like r1q2, does not offer more cheat protection, its easier to toggle in apr bc r1q2 blocks hotkeys, but thats easily bypassed, by minimizing the client to windowed mode, and click on desktop, and then hit the hotkey, and more stuff works on r1q2, whitch i informed welkin about, and also demonstrated a wallhack for him on digitalfrag and also said its pointless, to ban aprq2 from edl, or euroq2l, then r1q2 must be banned too.
we did talk about q2pro, as well, its a client whitch is harder to use wallhack on, since only one type of wallhack, works with it, and we talked about if that shouldnt be the default client in leagues, but we left it at that, no clients will be banned, it was just a simple idea, to make cheating harder in leagues, maybe some feed back on it as well? i am not part of adminning at all, if thats ur impressions, but i will inform admins, how to make the league safer, and i also assisted in testing hashlists, on the servers.
what i am sure of, even if proof was posted of david wallhacking, nothing will be done about it, david will continue to play edl, and use wallhack as well, if he now do.
btw, i could name a handful of polish players, thats been cheating, with ac loaded up, whitch makes me wonder, why ppl still think this software is hackproof, or solid.
its a good tool, to prevent cheating, but it is not the ultimate way of doing so, same as this shitty tool, called polish nofake, is not a solid way of preventing nick laming, and i proved a very good example of exploiting a great vulnerability i found in it last year.
and here is some demos, and screenies, whitch i showed in a previous thread, for those who didnt read it, from two years ago, on ac server, with aimbot, also some old wallhacl, and proxy bots i rehacked, like zbot, ratbot, on max fov, and wallhack used with r1q2 and aprq2.
some more, few videos i frapsed with ac enabled, a wallhack, and r1q2, recorded on stanox, de planetquake, digitalfrag, and tastyspleen.
and i also included some demos, which is just a few months old, to show what obvious wallhacking looks like, compared to those from david where he tries and hide it, with two polish team mates on wallhack as well, windwalk aka karo, and nik, and then u can compare it to those who tries and hide it, but in those two demos, i try and be as obvious as possible, and i make rul cry, in the second demo.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nl9xh7
now, lets not talk about me, i will show some other demos as well, whitch is just few months old, and its of known cheaters, all games played on aster ac forced servers.
second and first demo is fajnylol, a known polish cheater who was in clan ff, aliased as hektor, he told me he would play on cheats, on aster server, and i followed, and also recorded, without his knowledge, and in the first demo after three minutes into game, he start tracking players thru walls, most obvious is, when he is at the mega door near arena, and track a player running to ssg, and then finish him, and the second demo isnt that obvious, but still something going on, so i included it anyway.
another demo i included is with another known cheater, pops, he plays on wallhack, on ptrip, against shoowax, the very same wallhack as fajnylol used, but its hard to see, since most of their battles, they see each other, but i decided to include this game anyway, and i recorded this one as well without his knowledge.
now, last demo is of give, aka fnatic, another known cheater from poland as well, he is testing color aimbot, on tltf, and according to rumors has been used by pols, like cleaner, as well, and its pretty obvious, the aimbot is very human aiming, but its still possible to see since the color aimbot will always follow a few pixels behind the player, and its pretty clear its give as well, since he tried to trade his color bot for fajnylols wallhack on irc the other day.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rjfaml
now, ac an ultimate way to stop cheating? i dont think so, but any takers to prove me wrong? ;]
im listing below some youtube links to ppl that suspect david, and also davids attempt to cheat:
Trololo u mad bro? U are the shame for the cheaters,u stinks from miles ,and i rape u so many times even when u are using ur tricks,how poor can u be . ???
yea, zion, it could be wh yea, but u are the one to talk, still upset over my 56k modem rape, on 220 ping in bulgarian server, vs ur lan ping, on frag pipe whitch u called aimbot and wallhack?
omg, u got to be fucking kidding me, trolololl? it sure is trolololl, when u post anywhere, like an idiot, lets see how funny it would be, if i posted my modem demo, and u could point out my aimbot, and wallhack usage for me? still u agree, this couldnt be a wallhack, of a suspectious player, but agreed i used cheats, bc i beat u on dial up vs lan ping.
Trolololol poor razor and pathetic murto,u call that wh???? First video david was chaining there ,than hit pretty good rail (great prediction i think he learned Purri game perfectly),actually u can post the entire demos situacions.Second two videos - the only way that purry can have to rush david is from there.... or maybe David needs to turn off his headphones,brain and close hes eyes ,than he will perform like 30+ yold serbian lame who will predict purri come from adrenaline pack with teleportation from rg room ???? haha....Trolololol
flex finally got money to buy new computer and make hes debilisity statement .... On the Purri vs David case: Dont hurry to buried the king so fast...If he lose the final he will be still a king of q2,thats not changing from one game,one lose on the finals ,just q2 will have new king,like Damiah,Provi & Purri in past.But let see can David do it (actually i hope so Need some 1 to break the odds) Trololololo
gzero : true,i think what you said was already done b4 in EDL #8 final ( http://q2scene.net/edl/index.php?op=descr&id=66403 ) syanid vs purri.
i think it HAVE to be done for this season grand final,there must be both players in the server and the admins only,shoutcasters go to GTV ( in case someone is watching the stream and telling positions to the players ).
so this way,we can almost make sure that no-one is helping the players.
also,notice that purri is not active at all this season,just some games b4 official matches and thats all,while polish servers are full like everyday.
Gerdt: wth u talking about? This wasn't the grand finale ... in any case, it will be sweden vs poland. And it will not be an easy one..... take my words.
GTV with 10sec delay (no less for sure!), server with password and the 2 players and referees only allowed (and trusted people like myself and shoutcasters like Jehar and sofiene), would be more than great.
Ofc i'm not blaming anyone either, but if any are to blame purri (imo most trusted and honest guy in q2 [along with extremest few other players...]) that would be a serious and foolish mistake. However, unfortunately, I just can't say the same thing with David [take this right.. and others..].
Still, perfect idea from 'gzero'. That would prevent a lot of aid-cheats coming from spectators. This is a kind of action that should be taken into consideration!
gzero : can be,even if specs are not allowed in the server,there is allways GTV,only way to make sure that this will not happen is to call both players b4 the match with team speak or some similar software ( call made by admins), make sure that the mic works for both players ( not muted ) and keep the call till the end of the game.
but,i dont think anyone would have helped,at least for purri.
Plz, let jehar know about this Final in time, and plz post a big news when [exactly] the Final will take place (in time!!!) so that it will nearly be impossible to miss this!
This is just not "another game". And let's cross fingers Jehar CAN choutcast the game cuz I've heard he has bad connection these days. :
David
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For me ,most important to know pro4life is cheater ,second to uni - Ma3X servers rcon will be forbidden for idiot who will use it to crashed q2 of the small group of newbies left in q2 
I appreciated your stupidness 
) Than 2007 i started again ,till 2012. I dont think is few years. But i dont call my self ppl...Iam here to have fun,make some frags on fags like Razorass,who cant beat newbies without wh or aimbot 
( i find it attractive ,but not aloud 
You have so many "skillz" ,but quake 2 is not one of them 
