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	EDL #20 IRC: #EDL \| Demos: http://demos.q2players.org Sign ups: off

EDL 13 Map Vote

2014-09-06 14:12 | claire

THIS VOTE IS VOID CLICK FOR THE NEW MAP VOTE

We went with the same idea as last year where the six most played maps were automatically in the pool. Then some remaining maps from last years pool plus some from previous years are included in vote #1. You need to pick three maps from vote #1. Then vote #2 is made up of maps that have never been played in EDL, however many of them were played in ADL #1. You need to pick two maps from vote #2.

You have until Sunday, September 21 at 23:59CET to vote and your votes will only be counted if youre signed up to play in the league at that time. Feel free to change your vote if you want to up until the deadline, but please edit your original post to reflect your current choices.

All maps are currently available on all the Packetflinger servers and hopefully theyll make it into the maplists on the other popular servers out there soon. I suggest you play a few games on the ones youre not familiar with before finalizing your votes.

If you want to download all the maps (with textures) locally, get them here:
(unzip into baseq2 folder) OR
(save in baseq2 folder)

Top 6 maps from season 12:
1. znt2dm3 (q2duel8)
2. q2rdm2
3. koldduel1
4. q2dm1
5. q2duel5
6. ptrip

Maps from previous seasons (pick 3)
1. aerowalk (q2duel1)
2. q2dm2
3. q2dm3
4. q2dm7
5. q2rdm1
6. q2rdm5
7. q2rdm7
8. bloodrun

Maps never played in EDL (pick 2)
1. broken3
2. frdm3
3. growlis (koldduel1s maker)
4. ohmdm4
5. q2dmm
6. q2rdm10
7. vacular
8. q2rdm12

Vote by leaving a comment below.

Comments

claire	2014-09-09 13:52
	Menendes: You're desperately trying to show a correlation between map pool size and number of walkovers in your first set of statistics. Youre absolutely right, season 10 had a record number of walkovers and had a pool of 11 maps. What about season 12? That also had 11 maps and had a 17% w/o rate. In fact thats the lowest w/o rate with the exception of season 3 by 1% difference. I can also use stats to make a point. Im not quite sure what were you getting at with the second set and how that makes the pool even more ridiculous and how it proves my inexperience or lack of q2 knowledge. In fact, when have I ever said I have ANY experience or knowledge? The only reason Im the head admin is because nobody in this community is willing to put forth any effort to do it. Its kind of sad when an American is running a European league because the euros wont do it. Its hard enough getting people to show up for a 30 minute match much less organize and coordinate this whole thing. How much experience do you have admining EDL? Thats not really fair because of limited opportunity; how much experience do you have playing in EDL? Oh right, NONE. So your opinion of this map pool and vote are less than worthless to me. Syanid: I completely understand where youre coming from. I also I have a full-time job, a wife, 2 small kids and other things that require my limited time. You didnt seem to have a problem with this last season, but youre right, times change. That being said, and since so many actual players seem to want a change, I have no problem switching it up this year. Since the grand final is best-of-7, were doing a 7 map pool. Top 13 maps from all EDL seasons (thanks for compiling that data Menendes) are in the vote, you vote for the 7 you want. Ill start a new News topic for this to cut down on confusion.
Delita	2014-09-09 10:21
	To be honest menendez, some of the maps not played as much are a lot better than some of the core maps. For example, ptrip is an absolute joke of a map, ztn2dm3 has way too much armour, and rdm2 has really poor item placement making it super imbalanced. Koldduel1 is a really good map, and I'm glad it is in the core list. I also think rdm1 deservers a higher place.
Menendes	2014-09-09 08:18
	After reviewing maps played in all EDL seasons 789 q2dm1 773 q2rdm2 677 ztn2dm3 567 ptrip 535 q2duel5 395 ztn2dm2 376 q2dm3 256 q2duel1 200 q2rdm7 161 match1 153 q2dm2 115 koldduel1 81 q2rdm1 79 q2duel3/q2rdm5 28 fury 20 bloodrun 15 q2dm7 maps pool is even more ridiculous and just prof of 'head admin' experience and quake2 knowledge
Hibru	2014-09-08 12:58
	sya +1 match1 ven_dm3 should be in a voting pool.
MCS_FaderJok0	2014-09-08 12:43
	for the most part, i agree with syanid/kinex, although i like most of the maps in the pool. 1: aerowalk/q2duel1, bloodrun, q2rdm7 2: frdm3, growlis
Delita	2014-09-08 12:42
	When you're as good as me Norman you can comment on what I can and can't do.
`norman	2014-09-08 11:48
	I agree and understand syanid's issue. The mappool consisting of 11 maps is too big even for more active games. I think the maximum amount of maps is 9, having 5/7 really well-known maps and 2 kinda fresh. Although, I would prefer 7 maps total mixed. btw: Delita u shouldnt be allowed to provide any feedback, considering your appearence in last league games was 0%.
Menendes	2014-09-08 10:30
	I would want to watch purri, syanid, Damiah?, provi? Delita much more then new maps EDL MAP pool statistics EDL1 = 8 EDL2 = 9 EDL3 = 9 EDL4 = 9 EDL5 = 11 EDL6 = 11 EDL7 = 7 after 'experience' with big map pool EDL8 = 9 EDL9 = 7 'welkin admin years' EDL10= 11 w/o record in EDL 1687 maps... EDL11= 11 EDL12= 11
Golgo13	2014-09-08 09:43
	i see some good ideas emerging for this new season.
Delita	2014-09-08 09:40
	I like Salads idea of merging the divisions as well, besides the rookie one of course. There is a fine line between divisions, simply because some people are exceptionally good at some maps and not at others. There is also a lot of bad analysis on players division placements, so you get a lot of people who should be division 3 in division 2, and some in division 2 that should be division 1; merging the divisions will eradicate that. You should also give people the choice to play in the rookie league, not just tell them they have to be in it. Edited: 2014-09-08 09:43
CoLD	2014-09-08 09:31
	agree with syanid..
pr0to	2014-09-08 09:20
	I still can not remember dm1. I'm always sad when take against me dm1. very boring map. I would love to play the new maps. at least q2rdm5 and frdm3/q2rdm10/broken3 Vote 1: aerowalk, q2rdm5, q2dm3 Vote 2: frdm3, q2rdm10 where ztn2? i dont play if not be ztn2
rul	2014-09-08 08:10
	1: DM3, DM3, Duel1 2: dont want any of them :-)
salad	2014-09-08 05:37
	I do also agree, i think 11 maps is to much, i know it has been like this for years but maybe this is also the reason why many players do not signup or finnish their games. As i said before and i share the same thoughts as Delita and Syanid, most of us do not have time to pracctice the new maps or be equaly good on all of them. I think its not a bad ideea to forget about the second vote maps and choose only 2 from first vote or ok, 3. My personal choice for this edl season is base maps + aerowalk, bloodrun and rdm1. But if this isnt posible then i should cast my vote as others did. vote1: aerowalk, bloodrun, rdm1 vote2: q2rdm10 and q2rdm12 (this one looks nice, never played it but i think it has potential) I rather use new maps for quick leagues and smaller competitions. About divisions. I think this time we should try a new system with all divisions from 1 to 3 into one group and a rookie division (ex div4). I say this because i saw that many players wich are innactive are not happy about the division they are placed on and because of this they dont even play their games( ex Careem, Gipsy etc...) I also think this will be more fun cause we could see some surprise outcomes and this makes the whole edl experience more fun. I really hope admins take this in consideration and if someone shares the same thougths they should post here or if any other ideeas. We should debate this or make an pool vote about maps and divisions Edited: 2014-09-08 05:49
psm	2014-09-08 04:55
	smaller map pool: + more oldschool maps: +
syanid	2014-09-08 01:57
	Maybe I'm alone with Delita on this one, but if something has been some way for years, doesn't mean it has to stay that way. As I can't claim to be speaking for everyone I will just tell you my point of view. This is an old game and players (with some exceptions) are grownups. That means we have different responsibilities (work, family etc.). I have always liked having to play new maps, because there are plenty of good maps out there. But times changes, I just do no have time at this age to learn to play new maps. In my opinion having a smaller and more familiar map pool would attract the oldschool players like myself to play for "one more time". It's not like I would be aiming to win the whole thing, because I understand that with the time I have available to practice it would be delusional to think there's any chance to win, but I would not like to play and give basically a default win for anyone who chooses some new map against me that I've hardly even seen before. I just think you should make a vote for map pool size and if most people want to play 11 map pool then it's all good for them and I wish them well and fun with the upcoming season.
Golgo13	2014-09-07 19:44
	Pick 1: q2rdm1, q2rdm7, Bloodrun Pick 2: q2rdm12, Vascular It was a toss up between q2rdm10. that map seemed a little too small and unbalanced.
Golgo13	2014-09-07 19:26
	how bout we spice up the vote. players from each division can vote for their own seperate entry's. how's that?
Golgo13	2014-09-07 19:14
	i have those maps on my server seeman :-) LithCTF.Yolasite.com
claire	2014-09-07 16:35
	Because those are capture the flag maps, suited for a different type of gameplay
seeman	2014-09-07 15:47
	why dont have lfctf10 or lfctf4 ???
claire	2014-09-07 14:57
	It's been the same number of maps in the pool for YEARS...
Delita	2014-09-07 14:26
	I agree with Syanid to be honest. I think we should forget all the maps on the second vote. It's not like anyone will play them anyway.
syanid	2014-09-07 13:50
	Oh dear. Seriously guys, consider smaller map pool. I have got no time to play enough to learn new maps. Doesnt really motivate to sign up at all.
Delita	2014-09-07 13:20
	Vote 1: q2dm3, q2rdm1, q2rdm5 Vote 2: q2rdm10, frdm3
NumaveZi	2014-09-07 00:55
	1:aerowalk,q2dm3,q2rdm5 2:vascular,q2rdm10 Edit: maybe let the map pool vote untill the last day of the signups? Edited: 2014-09-07 01:00
adrenal1ne	2014-09-06 16:11
	1. duel1,q2dm3,q2rdm1 2. frdm3,q2rdm10
Sooint	2014-09-06 16:02
	Vote 1: q2rdm5, q2rdm7, bloodrun Vote 2: frdm3, ohmdm4
Barton	2014-09-06 15:03
	Vote 1: q2duel1, q2dm3, q2rdm1 Vote 2: vasuclar, q2rdm10
claire	2014-09-06 14:16
	Vote 1: aerowalk, q2dm2, q2rdm1 Vote 2: frdm3, q2rdm12

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