Welcome to the 10th edition of Eq2l playoffs. Division 1 playoffs will be finished before x-mas since it´s only 3 stages. Unfortunately the division 2 playoffs will continue after x-mas because there are 4 stages there.
Here are the Div 1 Quarter finalists:
(2.0) vs tok > vs cccp HBQ vs aK Wizards vs os
Here are the Div 2 first round finalists:
[H] vs [xeno] M-c vs f7 [*] vs qwned MTG vs cccp2 Rage vs [ecf] IS vs Ds O vs folk RIP vs m.
It's just like I expected. No sensible arguments, just some trolling or bullshit 'jokes' which are funny only for their authors...Anyway, now you can continue your admins job, insulting players etc...w/e
mjeh.. i will quote you again. "And btw...show me one, just one newspost where I insult somebody...." "One newspost with insults, just one! Oh right you can't..."
First is probably not even mine but ok...And it's just some sentence out of context, probably after some insulting under my address so next time when you'll quote something do it well...And yeah I remember that post wision, very well. I can find it for you, if you really want it... because it was rather something funny/warmly then insult. And shell I find insults under my address now? It will be a very long post then...Maybe you would like to add something now...?
ok.. some quotes from the main site http://q2scene.net (i'm sure there is more on other sites)
*rl*: "players are pathetic ignorant whiners who are trying to be smarter than they are, and doing extremely stupid comments" and *rl*: "swedish people are such retards"
those are just your posts, and of course there were some insults in the newsposts in the main site (i remember one case where you directly insulted careem in the news), but luckily there are more people able to edit the news and it was corrected.
so.. how that's not insulting? and it's not really just about calling names or something.. but also about the attitute towards other people, which you almost don't have any.
I didnt say a word about news posts, I said posts. And no, there are no insulting news posts from you or from anyone, just comments.
You are exactly the right person who I should tell to fix his language. Ill repeat myself, last time I checked you are not on admin channel, so you cant possible know anything what is going on.
One newspost with insults, just one! Oh right you can't...And yes, I'm not an admin of eq2l, I do not want to be in the crew where people do not respect others! And you're telling me to fix my language? Don't be ridiculous, please...Even in this newspost I can find some insults under my address so I'm not the right person, to whom you suppose to write such things...I don't care anyway so...
*rl* if someone should shut his mouth its you, seriously. Watch your tounge, you make an even bigger fool of yourself then you already have with comments like "And btw...show me one, just one newspost where I insult somebody...." dude back off
*rl*, how can you possible know what we are doing to this matter? Last time I checked you aren't on admin channel, so maybe you shouldn't write about things you know nothing about? And that league without rules thing is getting old, we all already know that you like to see league with full of walkovers. so no need to write it every time you reply to something.
I must remind you that you are also admin on this page so you shouldn't insult people either. Maybe fix your own language first before you even start criticizing other peoples post.
I would really like to read your bullshit you usually write in here arch but unfortunately, you're on my 'virtual' ignore list so I'm unable to read your comments.
You could handle it instead of whining here...But some how YOU DIDN'T. And I prefer my blogs on q2scene then running league wihtout rules and with admin(s) who are insuling players. And btw...show me one, just one newspost where I insult somebody....
Only the first two sentences in my comment was pointed towards you. And you never said anything about rl's insults, only that he blogs. Don't blame me for misinterpreting your comment when you don't write half of what you want to say
TheWretch, Spam can tell you how much I'm not defending him on this. And actually, if you had paid more attention to my earlier posts you'd have seen that I'm totally aware of the confusion that occurred with this whole playoff thing.
I'm just pointing the irony in *rl*'s post. He calls kolt to the rescue to remove Spam as an admin because Spam insulted players even though *rl* is doing that in practically every of his blog entries on the q2scene.net website.
It just some people knows how to behave and respect others, but ofc there're s(pam)ome people who acts like a kido...I guess it's just matter of upbringing, blame parents...
Gravgon, what in the world does rl's news posts have to do with this? Don't defend spam by whining on rl.
I can say that I was confused by the rules too. It was 2 clans from each of the 4 groups last season. eq2l 8 it was 4 clans from group a and 2 from group b (??) eq2l 7 there was 4 clans from group a and 4 from group b. The pattern being: first playoff round is quarter finals.
I just thought it was a mistake in the rules. That's why I (as others) asked wision and then was surprised when the playoff tree became available.
wision just did an honest mistake and I can't understand why none seems to be able to understand that and be humble, not players nor admins. The only right decision after this incident is to let 4 clans from each group be in playoffs. Imagine the whining if otherwise...
So as wision says: schedule your games and play them so we might have this league finished before christmas!
First of all HOW THE F..K spam is an admin...I have never seen an admin who called some player a moron or something like that...please kolt do something...How kidds like him can be in admin crew...But I guess your mom didnt learn you anything...sad infantile behaviour!
Eon, completely depends on amount of signed up active clans and amount of groups created. If we have a layout like this, ~20 clans in the second division, then 4 groups with 2 clans advancing to the playoffs from each groups - yberlayout!
Imho, third division is a bit tricky to create with present amount of clans. We would get then around 5/6 clans per group and 2 groups per division. With two groups only, we would jump instantly to semies with that... well, it ain't bad, if you think, but I'd prefer to see 1/4th (I think starting semi-finals rightaway in the playoffs is not that great idea)...
Second issue with 3rd division, is the clans' skill level. Again, Solaris is that kind of a clan, who will always do great in 2nd division, but will probably get ass whiped in 1st division. Same with a huge amount of div2 clans. Besides, how many true "div3" clans do you see here? Very-very complicated issue...
u guys r fucked up :|, just chill, it was misunderstanding and thats all, u dont have to behave like that.
Maybe 3 div next time and only 2 teams going out ? Coz its a bit weird when all teams from each groups can play in the playoffs (always some teams quit), 2 teams from each group is a good choice in my opinion, its much more interesting in this way.
So, now we get to the point, where an admin totally missed out the season, in which in division2, only 2 clans per group advanced to the playoffs, and talks shit to us simply due to his incompetence?
smap: as far as I can see, You are just a homeless dog, which can just lick my balls and eat my shit if I let. You call me 7-years old child and Youself act like a 3-years old.
I am starting to think that every another word written to You is a waste of time, becouse You will never understand the simplest things.
Hahaha i laugh when you write aswell sovet.. You mean you can see the future or what? since the rules that is now have been for atleast the 4 last seasons.. That 4 players advcance...
So then i dont understand how so many in div2 acording to you only new that 2 teams should qualify, i guess your all stupid or somethingt then since its clearly is written in the rules something else..
sovet, like i already mentioned, the very same layout was in the rules for last 4 seasons or something.. so there was no change in this particular rule (my mistake like i already explaned before).. btw gravgon has old version of the rules
anyway.. please stop arguing over this and start scheduling your games.. with a little bit of hurry, maybe even div2 can be finished before xmas
Spam, I hate to break it to you, but maybe your first division was aware that 4 teams per group advance into the playoffs, but the picture was waaaay to blur for the div2 clans.
If you want to know the statistical facts, here we go: our entire group knew about "2 clan per group" (from previous season), that's why there was so much excitement around Rage vs M-c game (clans that considered that rule were: Rage, M-c, Muffzors, Qwned - I am not sure about wD).
Your best candidate to win div2, Solaris, has also said in between, that they wish Rage won over M-c, since they prefered seeing Muffzors as their playoff opponent rather than M-c (maybe due to pings, but their preference is not the point, their claim about confirmation of "2 clans per group" rule).
Now, we have Eon, Gipsy and co, who represent, again, different clans and groups: Hunters and Owned. Make a note, that those are all the clans that came first in their groups.
You can't seriously go on telling people that it's purely their stupid "not knowing things" thingie, if you have around 40% of clans in the division not knowing the drill. Or should we make a serious poll and find out the real number (which I believe would be even greater)?
Yes, you did change the rules, but hey, one changed line in the entire book rule is not that apparent visually. If you make such a change in future with particular layout (like this, changing amount of teams advancing into the playoffs), this kind of news are worth to be posted on the cup's main page, not just "refere to the rules" later. It's same way, like you change a map list, but you do tell people about changed maplist in newsline, don't you?
Btw, just out of curiosity, do you have a copy of the rulebook from the previous season? I just would like to see how much different is the description of that particular rule, if comparing with this season.
SAMP: I am starting to think that You are too stupid to be an admin. Show me where i said that i dont agree with the rules. Cant You read SAMP?
It is ok for me that 4 teams advance, but it is kinda strange, that almost everyone thought that 2 teams go to the finals. I am glad that m for example will play in the finals (although I dont like them), becouse they play well and they deserve it. So SAMP just try to understand the situation before You write smth...
spam u dont get it do u ? i just thought that 2 teams from each group ll play in playoofs, thats why we tried to do our best, if we would know that is 4 teams, we could just chill and thats all, 1st or 4th is doesnt matter as i said, it was just misunderstanding. Good example is with M-c and M...
Gip5y acording to you every1 thout it was only 2 teams but thats WRONG. IMO and the rules opinion only U, eon, jou and mc guy thought that since your the only 1 participating that have complained in the comments.
Why did you even sign for this season if you dont like the rules? Plz stay out of the next one or learn to read...
HAHAHA are you for real Mc/GT.7 or some 7 year old kiddo?
Ofc all the ppl/clans that knew about this (that accualy read the rules) dont write here in the comments.. Only ppl who dont know the rules that is whing in here.
Im not making a problem out of anything, im just telling you the rules that it looks like you still havent understood.
Spam: well, just two ppl here wrote that they knew that 4 best teams per group will play in playoffs. so according to Your stupid algorithm there are only 10% ppl that new about it.
I only asekd about rules and You are making a big problem of it.
And if You cant write M-c correctly, just dont use our tag. Is it so hard to understand that our tag is M-c not Mc Spam?
90 % of the ppl? i can only see [H], Mc and O whinging in here and thats not even 20% of the division2 ppl.. Come up with some facts instead instead of just take something out of air.
And for eon. Since both me, gravgon, foen and pogo was here when we started this league and we also decided how this layout should be and have been here during entire league i guess we know best... It also stood in rules but maybe you still cant read that the 4 best goes to playoffs? So 4 of 5 admins new that 4 would go to playoffs and also all thoose 4 admins have said that 4 teams will go to playoffs to all clans that have asked so i guess its just the 3 of you who asked wision..
So the question is, how hard can it be for you to understand eon?
Div1: 2.0 3:0 t0k Play 3:2 CCCP HBQ 3:0 aK Wizards 3:1 OS
I think this is a unnecessary discussion.. Though I understand people about their concerns for the, little surprise for me too that 4 advance instead of 2, but the league is over soon. In my opinion div2 will get interesting when the best two of all groups meet in quarter-finals and semifinals. (as an exception I could mention m. that was third in group, but will most likely advance)
As sovet said earlier, that div1 and div2 is totally different, is true. I just think div2 is in its own way more competitive because we have a lot of clans that are very equal, but the level is then again on its own in div1. Good luck & Have fun every1 in your playoffs!
Well i did, since wision was the most active admin i decided to ask him and hes said that 2 teams from each group ll go out, how hard it can be to understand spam ? rly i think im not the only one u thought that the only fisrt 2 teams from each group go out, if i would know that its 4, we could just chill and go for a drink, coz 1st or 4th ist doesnt rly matter if u wanna win the league, dont u think my friend ?
We already let you know how it was gonna be befor the season started since it was in the rules and me, pogo, foen and gravgon told all that asked us how many that was going to playoffs and we answered 4... how hard can it be?
Just read the rules bit more careful for the next league you sign up for.
Spam, you're missing the point here. It's not about "not wanting to play the games", it's about being in a competition.
If you will reduce this talk to pure "having fun" issue, then think again - how many clans whine about server choice, lags, delay matches so they could have their best lineup, and you will reach the understanding that even despite the players don't claim that in public, they want to win, they want to compete.
This decision simply takes away this "passion to win" for some clans, cause it takes you only to play 1-2 games vs noobs and can get drunk and waste the rest games with better clans and still get into the playoffs. On the contorary to your opinion, battling clans want to play as many games as possible to be able to reach playoffs (of course, by winning the most of them).
And to Martin: Don't apologize for wasting our time. In this concern, your only apology should be about not informing us earlier about this layout decision. The time waste is a very special issue. People come to play Q2 one way or another, since they have nothing better to do (i am not implying that some would be nolifers, we simply do play Q2, one way or another and blaiming people to have wasted your time is silly here, cause in generally it is a waste of time anyway - if you don't like that, quit the game at all).
I was only remarking on the group stage value for div2. With 4 clans, it seems, for me, to have 2 teams advancing into the playoffs, as right thing to do, if we consider competition as the mediating variable.
HAHAHAHA rofl lol @ the few of you who think the groupstage is a waste of time.. Why do you even join a league if you dont wanna play many games? Maybe we should start with single elim playoffs next season without groupstage so the clans that dont think its fun to play q2 can loose and leave at once.. OR maybe you shouldnt sign up at all, thats what i think is the best.
it is my fault that i picked the same layout for this season as it was used in the last season and that i wasn't careful enough and did not update the rules with the new layout. that's when the conflict began.
during the league (when i was still active admin) i was asked couple of times: "how many teams will advance to playoffs from div2 group?". since i picked the layout, hence my answer was "2". but unfortunately i needed to leave active admin crew in the middle of the league and other admins took care of all the things. but like i mentioned before, i picked the layout and forgot to update the rules, so that created the misunderstanding and current active admins didn't know about the layout and they followed the rules. they were also asked the very same question about the number and their answer was 4. when i created the playoff tree, we (admins) all decided that it's better to put 4 teams from each group into the playoffs even though that it will take 1 more extra week to finish. we also thought that some teams would be grateful for advancing and that you would have more fun playing more games.
so.. it is my fault that more teams advanced to the playoffs, and it is also my fault that some of you were misleaded with the wrong number. I'm sorry for that and I'm also sorry to the people I wasted their time (if you really think like that)
Well, i asked wision something like 3 weeks ago, vs who we (H) ll play if we ll be on a 1st place in our group, he says 2B or 2D, so looks like they changed their mind now, to be honest we tryied to do our best in group stage only coz we thought that 2 clans are going into playoffs. As boo and gipsy says, it doesnt rly matter vs who u ll play, if u wanna win, u have to beat everyone anyway so....
Ah, and I can already anticipate this "positioning is crucial" talk, but my (and not only my) main concern was about "privileged advancing". Only those, who are worthy to fight in the playoffs, should advance. Now, this is not the case really - some clans, that got 1/5th of their wins, will get a spot in the playoffs. =)
P.S. this is the case with 4 groups in div2, but this should be overlooked in div1, for several reasons: a) only 2 groups (so, more clans advance) and b) already achieved privelege - playing in div1 is completely different stuff, when comparing to div2.
The rule "4 best clans advancing from each group" applied before simple because you had 3 divisions and 2 groups per division.
Previous season was one of those rare seasons when the layout was different: only 2 division, with 2 groups in div1, and 4 groups in div2. There you had your rules apply, just like Gravgon noted about M-c being partially right.
This season is identical to the previous season and no other season, so I (and probably a lot of other players) concluded that the case will be the same for div2 just like the last season. And no one from the admins came to say otherwise in public prior to the announced playoff trees! Rules are there, but those were the same for the previous season.
I would have wanted it to be the same layout as in the previous season, because I saw a good potential in that (two clans from each group fight for the playoff spot) and we had a spectacular "drama" in our group: M-c goes into the playoffs with 1 point, by winning Rage. =) but... now the group stage just lost its value... What Gipsy and others want to say here, is that you basicly didn't need to contribute much... Just win some newbie clans and you're in...
It was waste of time. div2 groups A and C all teams are in playoffs!! and in overall only 2 active teams dropped out, maybe next season lets skip group stage?...
I just checked, it's always been the 4 best going to playoffs except last season. Last season the 4 best were going to the playoffs only for div1. For div2 only the 2 best were going probably because we had 4 groups in div2 (no more div3).
Well this season we stuck to the regular "4 best" for all groups which means div2 playoffs will last 1 week longer than div1.
eon: group stage is not a waste of time, even when all clans are going to the playoffs (because of dropouts), the place in the ranking is very important.
Gravgon: yeah, i was talking about that. i think (i am not sure) that some time ago (this season) there was: "The 2 best teams of a group are qualified for the playoffs."
I was quite sure about it, when Sovet talk to me about our last game versus Rage, that we had to win to play in finals. Muffzors were very interested our game too, becouse they wanted to play in finals. But if the rule hasnt change its all ok.
(2.0) vs tok 
> vs cccp 
RIP vs m. 
IMO every one thought that 2 teams will advance to playoffs. 4 teams is just stupid thing its not whine 
