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Another faking incident!

2010-04-15 19:18 | biah

Another grim day for euroq2l has arrived. As many of you have noticed there has been a polemic about the flag

[xeno] vs *kob* flag

game. In particular some q2scene users were surprised by the outcome of this game (a 3:0 win by *kob*) but mostly by the performance of Soulwax from *kob*. A simple IP check during the game gave us a controversial result first proving that "Soulwax" was really dutch as he was supposed to be. Soulwax wasn't in IRC during and after the game and appeared only the next day but did not react to requests to send demos... Further investigation showed that the IP taken during the game does not match Soulwax's IP adress and location, but completely matches another player's IP and location. Duco aka [f]slope was noticed in IRC with the same IP adress the next day. The logcheck of both #okidoki and #mhs showed the exact IP match of [f]slope and *kob*SoulWax playing the official match.

Under these circumstances game [xeno] vs *kob* is turned into walkover in favour of [xeno] according to Rule 5.7. *kob* players showed no signs of awareness that they were playing with a faker so no charges are pressed agains them, but a walkover in this case is inevitable.

As for slope, he can not be banned from this season as folk have already lost their playoff game to Rebels but will be banned from the upcoming season of European Q2 League due to violating Rules 3.5 , 3.7 , 3.9 , 3.10 or simply faking during an official match. By breaking those rules slope not only ruined the game for [xeno] but also framed *kob* in their effort to play a fair game.

LAST UPDATE: The game has been played, score added, [xeno] goes on playing in 1/4, *kob* dropped out after a nice fight.
Now to clear things out. Neither team had nothing to do with slope faking. It was a pure one man show. *kob* were fooled the same way as [xeno]. Slope confessed, explained his actions and apologized.

Comments

Delita	2010-04-23 14:46
	Careem: You sux, hard enough? FAIL
careem	2010-04-23 13:49
	You sux, hard enough?
Delita	2010-04-20 21:05
	Still promoting that one lucky win you got eh Careem. That doesn't prove anything but a bad evening. Try harder.
careem	2010-04-20 18:16
	http://q2scene.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=328 here it is
Delita	2010-04-20 08:16
	Raskal: And Delita, try get some help for your mental problems. Your self-image is so f disturbed. Im serious. Where's your proof?
raskal	2010-04-20 04:21
	And Delita, try get some help for your mental problems. Your self-image is so f disturbed. Im serious.
raskal	2010-04-20 04:08
	"arch^: BTW, what is really weird to me too is that nobody from kob noticed it during the game. I can't imagine that I am playing a game with HBQ and someone is faking, and I don't notice anything? I think I would notice it very fast. Didn't he play different at his posses? Other binds, and individual tacs etc?" --------------------- c'mon, it's div2
careem	2010-04-19 17:48
	Well done british idiot
centaurius	2010-04-18 17:45
	Yes, we agreed on replay.
lux0r	2010-04-17 13:42
	I strongly think that game should be replayed cause we all know now what happened and that KOB absolutely didn't know nothing and they were fooled... of course, it's a warning for all clans, cause this can happen to anyone... Lets put all behind us and replay that match with best lineups of each team and everyone will be happy... accept Folk who lost their player for next season yeah, Duco, really really stupid thing!
Delita	2010-04-17 12:58
	Arch: Mirr, you should be more ashamed that you let your team play with a faker, even without knowing it. If I were in kob I would definately not even ask for a replay. OK, 1. We didn't let a faker play for us, we where fooled into it. 2. How about I make a sham of you by kicking your ass? A rematch has to be played, it's inevitable. If admins decide to give xeno a w/o for this then they are guilty of favoritism and that shows that the admins are just plain corruption to the scene. If xeno do take the w/o without a good reason then they are quite simply cowards for taking the easy way out and not standing up against their oppositions. This would be like sending an innocent person to prison for being framed. It's just rediculous. Edited: 2010-04-17 13:00
Cheimera	2010-04-17 12:49
	i dont agree with pogo, imo they should ask xeno if they want to replay the game, cause after all, playing games is why people sign up for the league in the first place, and no i dont think xeno would be cowards if they said no, if they are pissed enough by the situation then they will say fuck no... Cause as pogo said, in the end it is kob's responsibility to know who plays in their official games, no one else can carry that responsibility. And especially now that duco has given an explenation of why he did what he did, and that explantion was given to the admins where duco says that no one had anything to do with it in the kob clan. But i seriously dont think xeno will say no, those guys plays this game cause its fun and they like to play matches. A random player just fucked up an otherwise great game. And kob, a clan with good reputation and sportmanship should be gained the trust back from the community that they wouldent pull of a stunt like that, not when they would have had 4 players anyway and they dident need any reinforcements vs xenos second team. imo replay the game if xeno wants, i bet they want. Fairplay guys usually wanna win by fairplay and not thx to a random player. And in kobs situation, past behaviour should considered when doing decision like this. Edited: 2010-04-17 12:51
arch^	2010-04-17 12:46
	I agree with pogo. Mirr, you should be more ashamed that you let your team play with a faker, even without knowing it. If I were in kob I would definately not even ask for a replay. Edited: 2010-04-17 12:50
Delita	2010-04-17 12:31
	Yeah pogo, from now on everyone has to send their passport details in an e-mail, don't be absurd. If xeno do refuse to rematch then they are cowards, and the admins are inexperienced. I believe even without duco faking as soulwax, kob can still beat xeno with the right squad and it's xenos place to prove otherwise. This is Quake 2, not a panzy game of football. Do it like Quake 2 players do it, fucking prove yourself in real time, no hiding behind conspiracies, admins, rules and all that shite. And on another point, duco has spoke to the admins and me personally to apologize and point out that 'NO KOB PLAYERS WHERE INVOLVED' in duco's actions. Edited: 2010-04-17 12:36
Pogo	2010-04-17 11:40
	Don't make a poll and definitly don't ask xeno if they want to replay the game. Doing so will put them in a position where they will be expected to replay or else be regarded as cowards even though none of this is their fault in any way. That decision should be taken by the admins and no one else. I actually believe the kob guys when they say they had no clue about this, but it's still their responsibility to know who is playing for their team. Making xeno decide on a possible replay would force the burden onto the victims and that is just wrong.
Cheimera	2010-04-17 11:20
	make a poll? For every rule break or admin decision we should make a poll? Will take one week in order to get results and games would get delayed etc.
ceba	2010-04-17 10:34
	Make a Poll, lets see what q2 community thinks
Delita	2010-04-17 08:26
	But in order for Duco to pull this stunt, you would guess someone asked him to do it? <-- that is where kob are rather suspicious about this. Some in kob think this is a setup. Why would Duco be lurking around servers using Soulwax's name? It just doesn't make sense. The only other possibility is that someone in kob isn't being 100% honest, but I trust all of kob. Most are oldschool and kob is a very by the book clan. No one would do that. We also had 5 or 6 players so it wasn't like we where short ether. Yeah chei I just spoke to Isbpwn about Xian/razor, but still any ratbot used there = not safe. Edited: 2010-04-17 08:29
arch^	2010-04-17 08:14
	It is very unlikely yes.
Cheimera	2010-04-17 08:12
	But in order for Duco to pull this stunt, you would guess someone asked him to do it? I mean if i see t0k on a server with only 3 players, i wouldent go and pick a players nick and just join the server and play an eq2l game for another clan with another players nick and without anybodys knowledge in the clan!? It seems higly unlikely to be honest. Now if not a singel player from kob dident know about this then ducos stunt is even worse than it first seemed. I am just trying to understand wtf happened =) Delita: it was that razor guy again. Edited: 2010-04-17 08:14
Delita	2010-04-17 08:11
	Festival: we want to play with mirr, no one more says in game "HE HAVE WH" ohhh sorry only sng is better ;D Why wouldn't you? You think any servers are anti-cheat now days? Both me and Chei got a demo last night have someone using an aimbot on mhs. Show's that no where is safe anymore. I personally have noticed ALOT of cheating going on in Q2 the last few months.
Delita	2010-04-17 07:54
	Soul is generally a quiet person and considering I had just got home at like 9:30ish and jumped straight onto the wagon as soon as I took my coat off, I didn't have time to pay attention to any acting different to what they usually are. Soulwax or should I say, Duco acted like Soulwax. So I just gave out positions and away we went. I did however find it rather unusual that Soulwax was playing so well. However, I just considered that because he was on his native server and he had a half decent team behind him against a rather weak xeno that he just capatalized at rail area with the spawn frags and quads on other maps, as that was the position he was on. I don't underestimate Soulwax because I know him from the past and know he used to play a lot with Diablo so he is bound to have some skills hidden away. It didn't really dawn on me till the next day and everyone was saying it was Duco, then it hit me that Duco was messaging me after the match and saying some strange things (I'll provide the log for this if everyone is interested). The idea of being Gerdt I thought was just way to out there, I would have clicked onto Gerdt myself. So from that notion I just argued that it was Soulwax untill I put the facts together. No one from kob knew it was Duco from what I know. That whole stunt I pulled about it being me was to just protect kob from receiving a bad reputation. I was going to admit it was me using my bad rep as the catalyst and dump all the blame on myself so kob wouldn't recieve an untrust worthy reputation that they 'DO NOT' deserve. I have pretty much hung my boots up with Quake 2 now anyway and I couldn't give a shit about my reputation or leagues. However, Zilla was a bit to heroic about this and wouldn't let me do it. Anyone who knows the scene knows that once a clan is caught with a ringer, regardless of their excuses, they are never really 100% trusted again. I am willing to play a rematch tomorrow night if possible. One more thing, I am sure I saw both Duco and Soulwax in IRC that night though. Not unless Duco had boosted up 2 IRC's. Edited: 2010-04-17 08:04
zilla	2010-04-17 07:37
	So did kob clan chm Edited: 2010-04-17 07:38
Cheimera	2010-04-17 07:08
	Only problem zilla is that, if the exact same thing will happen next season, and the clan that played with a faker will say that they had absolutly no idea about it. And they aswell will get their game replayed like a second chance, imagine if they were guilty? But then again Duco's punishement should be enough for those trying to pull this stunt to think twice about it. As you said: "So to finish i just want to remind people of what q2 was really about , playing in leagues getting that excitement before a game nerves jingling sweating knowing you were playing against the best clans in the world it used to be great , but now alas thats all gone its just some cheating nicklaming players spoiling whats left of the oldschool clans and their playing days that has lasted nearly 13 years " This is what the admins are trying to work for, this is what they are trying to erease with these punishments for rule breaking. If we can stop the rule breaking we can have that interesting and fun league you are talking about. Anyway in the end, if it was up to me as an admin, i would say you should be able to replay the game if xeno wants, cause xeno is the team that got tricked and spended a whole game in vain. Every case is different and in this case that would have been my outcome. Edited: 2010-04-17 07:10
zilla	2010-04-17 05:49
	OK Here is my last word on this fiasco , ive liased with admin on this since i found out what went on , i can assure people no one from kob knew anything about this , but what i didnt find fair is that kob had a w/o put against them before the courtmarshall had been fully completed . What Duco/Slope has admitted is unforgivable he did this off his own back which really annoyed me when i found out it is up to admins to withhold the rules of which i fully support them, ive spent the last 2 days constantly chatting to admins and telling them what had happend, its no fun working a 12 hour night shift then having to come online and tell admins what i have found out and try to convince them that kob were innocent in all this ,as to the they should have known it wasnt soulwax bit no they should not have, because soulwax works at sea, a lot players from kob havenot played clan games with him that much since he joined us because of his work situation . Ive looked at all the forums comments of which some of them dont even belong here like you team is the worse ever and you cant beat me in a dual or 2v2 this was meant to be comments about the actual name faking and out come of the game between Xeno and kob not some i can out do you on dm1~ blah blah or in 2v2 or your team is shite comment section . It would be nice to replay the game but afterall thats happend i wouldent blame admins or xeno if they never want to have it replayed , kob clan has been around in many names over the last few years formed out of ecf who were once ec who were a bunch of true gents and courtious players who wasnt the best clan in the world but held respect from nearly all the clans back in the 1990's . we had a fair share of defeats but we also won a few one thing you never got from us was all this nicklaming child like behavior like whats gone here over the last few days . If only people could go back the way it was then .. well who knows we could have twice the number of people still playing quake 2 . So to finish i just want to remind people of what q2 was really about , playing in leagues getting that excitement before a game nerves jingling sweating knowing you were playing against the best clans in the world it used to be great , but now alas thats all gone its just some cheating nicklaming players spoiling whats left of the oldschool clans and their playing days that has lasted nearly 13 years shame really isnt it . Once the excitement goes you have nothing left , it like a drug a drug ive been addicted to since dec 1997 and now i feel ive got clean and dont need that drug anymore because of all the shit it brings with it . zilla Oh btw the is the channel log of weds night when i said to cent that they could have w/o because we didnt have 4 players then look what happens immediately after i said that http://pastebin.com/D4SQ0wxG 21.16 is when i ask do we have 4 21.22 is when he tells me soulwax is on a server and cant connect to irc Edited: 2010-04-17 06:50
arch^	2010-04-17 05:40
	Right now I don't believe that nobody from kob knew. BTW, what is really weird to me too is that nobody from kob noticed it during the game. I can't imagine that I am playing a game with HBQ and someone is faking, and I don't notice anything? I think I would notice it very fast. Didn't he play different at his posses? Other binds, and individual tacs etc? Edited: 2010-04-17 05:44
Festival	2010-04-17 03:01
	we want to play with mirr, no one more says in game "HE HAVE WH" ohhh sorry only sng is better ;D Edited: 2010-04-17 03:16
Cheimera	2010-04-16 21:06
	yeh true i can actually relate to that. Maybe it should be replayed instead
Delita	2010-04-16 20:03
	In all honesty, Ceba is right here. No one from kob knew duco was faking as soul and therefore we do deserve a rematch, it would be in xeno's best interest anyway.
ceba	2010-04-16 19:59
	Cheimera, I totally agree with you. Its just KOB didnt brake any rules (Ok ok i cant prove that no one in KOB knew it, but so you cant opposite) There is a good thing called "the presumption of innocence" I agree that rules must be followed and rule brakers punished. Its was only my suggestion to replay. And thats what I would do if I would be an admin (and i am not). No replay ... its not the end of the world it just a game. All these writings of mine are more for Xeno than for admins, for their conscience Thanks a lot and please continue your work. Edited: 2010-04-16 20:05
ceba	2010-04-16 19:53
	Arch I honestly think that no one from KOB knew about that. And it was Xeno that told us that Soulwax is online and thats why KOB last minute decided to play. Before that there were not enough players, but I came around 21:00, Rick came, Zilla called JAK/ADAM, he came, I messaged mirr, he came. And few minutes before that zilla was giving w/o to xeno. Everything changed last minute. Honestly I don't understand why Duco did such thing. In the end we had more than enough players and could have played without him. And Arch, ask Biah or other admin for Ducos explanation, why he did that. Actually i would like to see his explanation too. But KOB cant hard prove what i wrote now (in the same way as no one can prove opposite (that KOB knew about faking)) its just you have to believe what me, zilla and other are telling.
Cheimera	2010-04-16 19:47
	Ceba: all we can do is try to catch all the fejkers we can, ofc we can never give any guarantees, but the guarentees the admisn can give is that if you break the rules you will get punished, so simply just dont break the rules. Should we let all the rule breakign go unpunished? Well then the league will totally fail, no admisn will want to do what they do and no players would ever take the league seriously, it will turn out to be an clown league.
Gerdt	2010-04-16 19:45
	zion stfu noob and on topic: duco has been a lame shithole ever since he's been around. prima ban! Edited: 2010-04-16 19:47
arch^	2010-04-16 19:35
	Ceba do you think honestly that duco would just magically show up for that game, take the nick soulwax, and start playing, without anyone from kob asking him? And giving him some info on what to do? What server, what nick etc? I really don't believe that.
ceba	2010-04-16 19:29
	Cheimera are you sure no one is faking now? Do you check every one in every game? If some one will want to fake he will fake. If you would (I dont think you will) give a rematch that wouldnt change a thing. If needed some one will cheat. If you are brave and stupid enough - go ahead.. cheat. But if will be caught you will suffer. Thats the reason why people/clans dont cheat. But same thing can happen again. Purri will fakenick as a Gren in iafa )) they are disorganized and wont notice KOB says that they didn't knew about duco faking, so it not their fault. But now it only KOB that is in bad situation. In my opinion it would be fair to replay those games (if xeno is brave enough) And by innocent man i meant KOB. Gravgon: KOB didnt brake any rules. That was Duco, and I think he got away too easy, he should be banned from all leagues for life. And dont understand me in a wrong way. I appreciate what you do, and I think you all admins do a great job Edited: 2010-04-16 19:30
Z1on	2010-04-16 19:14
	Cheim
Cheimera	2010-04-16 19:08
	z1on quit those pills, you are escaping reality
Z1on	2010-04-16 19:03
	I have beaten every top dueller at least once, but do I say I am better? - sure couse you know you are pathetic rofl ,and we are 1000000 times much better thats why i announce our rape against you two and yours patheticness ,its simple when you win you have something to announce ,when you loose there is nothing to anounce wision P.S Even Necro have fun when finds out how pathetic you and Gerdt was that game
Cheimera	2010-04-16 19:01
	Ceba you rather want people fejking around in official games? Cause thats what will happen if you just give away a warning. Then why not take once chance? or you can maybe fejk for a team for maybe 4-5 games before you get caught? or maybe not at all? Rules are very clear, and you accept them when you sign on for the league. How hard can it be? And what do we have to do in order to have rights for fair play? And its not an "innocent man" as you said since proof has been presented. Edited: 2010-04-16 19:02
Gravgon	2010-04-16 18:59
	ceba: there's no need for a trial because there are rules. if you break one of these rules, there's a defined sanction for that. middle age is when we decide to ban people left and right and cut their head in the process
arch^	2010-04-16 18:43
	Ehm yes we are more active, and we are around 100244 times better then both of you? So what's your point. I have beaten every top dueller at least once, but do I say I am better? Or even nearly as good? Nop... It's pathetic to act like you do after 1 win. Lol :p
wision	2010-04-16 18:36
	"i think is a big deal to rapes two of hbq pathetic stars" xD
ceba	2010-04-16 18:14
	So no rematch? Just w/o to KOB and thats it? Thats sad... its like wild west or middle ages, no court, no trial, shoot in place an innocent man.
Z1on	2010-04-16 17:31
	TimmY ,dude it was 2on2 ,who talks about q2r lol and i think is a big deal to rapes two of hbq pathetic stars ,you are much more active then me and Sniper,he plays ones in the month Edited: 2010-04-16 17:32
arch^	2010-04-16 13:28
	Are you kidding me z1on? You know your clan is one of the worst clans in q2 history, right? Yeh you have won ONE public game, jezus! Great arguement... Which clan finished last in div2? Oh yes... Edited: 2010-04-16 13:31
Z1on	2010-04-16 11:43
	TiMmY If duco is 20x better than me on 2on2 ,why you and Gerdt eat Z1on.bg and Sniper.bg Strudel so bad ,last time we play P.S Ping is just a number i dont want pathetic eXcuses
Bobek	2010-04-16 08:24
	LakizZzz: because, that guy could play - he wasnt a member of any clan. But Duco was a member of Folk, so how could he played for KOB?
LakiZzz	2010-04-16 08:13
	Polish player eXtr3Me has been faking as Lopata for For Fun clan. During first weeks they claimed, that Lopata was actually another polish player called b0gi, which turned out to be a lie. So the out come here is that both a clan and a player will recieve a WARNING and also eXtr3Me is forbidden to play in their next match, which will be against GsG9. why slope is banned?
Delita	2010-04-16 08:04
	For the record, I had nothing to do with Duco, as it now says in topic. I'm only guilty of protecting kobs name. nrk - A retard with glasses is better than you at Quake 2... and probably smarter and stronger than you to. Guess that makes you a bigger retard. Edited: 2010-04-16 08:05
nrk	2010-04-16 07:55
	haha Mr. Q2 aka delita once again proved that he is just retard with glasess. And duce who allways talks about rules and eq2l etc.. fakes on official game.. Edited: 2010-04-16 07:56
Bobek	2010-04-16 07:46
	DELITA BUY SOME PILLS :p Edited: 2010-04-16 09:33
arch^	2010-04-16 07:18
	Ehm, duco is about 20x better than you at 2o2 and 4o4. What u talk about is dm1 duel I guess? Even though you suck majorly at that too, maybe you could beat duco yah :p U trolled me again, haha! Edited: 2010-04-16 07:21
Z1on	2010-04-16 06:55
	DuCo is not so good actually i rapes him every time we play i cant believe he can do it so good fot kob like a faker :?
Cheimera	2010-04-16 05:56
	thaigo true, but its the same in almost all the other gaming scenes, they all have similar issues and i guess its a part we have to live with until a great solution is offered. And all we can do is maybe start to make more random IP checks. just to make it a little harder to take that chance.
thaigo	2010-04-16 05:56
	It's good to live in hope, eventho reality might be a little different...
wision	2010-04-16 05:45
	indeed.. let's hope not that many as you think
thaigo	2010-04-16 05:42
	Yeh, but like I said. Imagine how much of these get past the admins when the faker ain't top scorer.
wision	2010-04-16 05:32
	http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1535916 linkin/noctis involved in faking in nations cup i just wanted to point out that it's same in every game (even with top players)..
thaigo	2010-04-16 05:18
	Wision, I don't and ure wrong with q3=QL. As for what I have seen, ppl come from many different games to play QL. Q2 has had its share with cheating in QL when Polish players cheated with nicks/personality (101 and Blanka and maybe festival too, can't remember).
zilla	2010-04-16 03:54
	Guys i can only apologise for delitas madness (ive yet to talk to him )and can i say that me or any other kob player knew nothing about this , if this is true as a repremand delita will never play in any of my teams angain including any national team that i may run or choose . once again me and other kob players knew nothing about this delita even asked me did i know anything about it . once again sorry for this bad bit of sportsmanship
FOEKEN	2010-04-16 03:47
	never expected duco doing this. Its a good thing he is banned. And i knew delita was trouble. also I didnt respond on irc last night because i wasnt behind my computer.
eXecutor	2010-04-16 01:53
	GG Edited: 2010-04-16 01:53
wision	2010-04-16 01:22
	pogo: who knows if delita was telling the truth while confessing, or maybe he was just covering up some more people :< thaigo: indeed.. hope you recall that q3 nations cup faking thing (q3 scene = ql scene)
Pogo	2010-04-15 21:22
	lux0r "prevent 5th w/o"? Judging from the screenshots kob had at least one player speccing every map so i wonder why they felt the need to use a faker then... And this is pretty sad, from what i've seen duco has played really good this season. It's just very strange to me why he chose do pull this shit and now he's out the entire next season. Also if its true that delita knew all about this and even asked duco to do it... that makes his previous posts on the match report look pretty damn bad: "We wouldn't let people ring for us, it's lame and I personally wouldn't stand for it as it's a way of just saying 'I am not good enough to win alone'." yeah...
Delita	2010-04-15 20:30
	ROFL OWNED!
thaigo	2010-04-15 20:09
	Wision, of course those do happen in QL also, but when oldschoolers like duco do these things, it just makes the whole scene look stupid. Biah, no worries. I ain't coming back to q2 or neither do I have to worry getting owned in QL as we're starting to be a topteam in there too
lux0r	2010-04-15 20:03
	"banned from the upcoming season of European Q2 League" NOOO!! With who am I suppose to play?! It's such a small community and now u ban active people give him some kind of different punishment! Take him money or smtn He is not a bad guy... he actually only wanted to prevent 5th w/o in playoff! But it turned out that he helped more than he thought he would in the first place pls consider that punishment again...
biah	2010-04-15 19:44
	thaigo still comes to visit his old neighbourhood Remember, you are not banned from euroleague. Fell free to make a "return of the jedi" when you get sick of getting owned in that game-comics.
wision	2010-04-15 19:36
	thaigo and you think these kind of things don't happen in ql? don't be silly
thaigo	2010-04-15 19:34
	Haha, this just shows how fucked up q2 scene really is. Just imagine how much of these get past the admins when the faker doesn't get so good stats compared to others...
ceba	2010-04-15 19:30
	Game should be replayed. Not just lazy w/o.
NiGGY	2010-04-15 19:27
	gues you typed wrong link there... LOL! are you sure that it was Slope! LOL! would never believe that! slope wouldnt have that behaviours... I am suprised and get dissapointed!...
Digital	2010-04-15 19:27
	Well played Duco.. Not.
biah	2010-04-15 19:23
	For those who are interested, here is a part of #okidoki log: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/278949 Edited: 2010-04-15 19:31

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