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Signups open for 14th season!

2010-09-15 10:03 | wision

Welcome to the 14th season of EuroQ2L! This season we will most likely follow the same layout as last season, but we will let you know for sure just before signups are closed.

Time is running out and since there was noone qualified and really willing to run the league, I ( flag

wision) took over this league one more time. My right hand will be flag

biah and the rest of the crew is yet to be decided. Thankfuly there are still people willing to be match admins!

Rules are not final yet and you will be notified about the changes before signups are closed which will be on 25th of September. Here's the ! If you need to create new clan or change your clan's squad contact admins.

Comments

BASSHUNTER	2010-09-30 04:37
	Could u put ur last comment in english, I really can't figure out what ure trying to say(propably nothing considering it's u). First I think ure trying to say that I'm a perfect example of a good guy gone bad, but then in the next chapter u say "you are still the same self-absorbed prick you have always been". Which is it or what are u trying to say? I know ure the last one. I couldn't care less what u have done or will do in the future.
Cheimera	2010-09-29 18:54
	ill stay put on my last comment, good guys gone bad, you are the perfect sample. And you are still the same self-absorbed prick you have always been. Now we got all your thoughts once again. move on. Neither one of us can't seriously say these discussions lead anywhere or spread much fun. You are the reason I will never ever again do a single thing for this scene again, at least you accomplished something. Be proud. One down, a few more to go.
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-29 17:40
	As long as u have used internet, u still havent learned that being ironic or sarcastic doesn't work in internet. I'll quote myself since u seem to lack reading skill, for u, ill highlight it so u could read it perhaps: -------------------------------------" When there are mistakes in the rules, I want to help u by pointing them out. That's helping, I'm sorry if u dont see it that way, but that's your personal problem then. " ---------------------------------------------------
Cheimera	2010-09-29 15:49
	You are a hard man to talk to thaigo, I guess I have to use baby language to make you understand since you have a hard time to read between the lines.. It was not a question, I was ironic. Like I did not know it's not your job to write the rules. But you said you wanted to help. So the question was very simple but you failed to answer it. My point is, you complain about the rules and say you wanted to help, how come we never got any help about the rules from your side? Since apparently you have a lot of issues with them. It can't be that hard to understand, oh I am talking to you, why am I not surprised... (sound familiar?) And no it was not a question of what you have done, it was more of an statement, with your history you don't have the rights to even complain. We all have seen the way you work. And it's a pity. All I have done as an admin I have done for the scene, if I failed to please you then I am sorry, I guess I can't please every one. It would be impossible to be honest. Any way this discussion is getting out of hands as always. Go back to QL, nothing to see here, right?
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-29 04:21
	You asked why I didn't write rules and I answered. You claimed that I want things ready and server, where I proved u wrong. Again. No, we dont compare who has done the most. You asked "What did you ever do to help?". Now u trashtalk to me for answering? Seriously, wtf is wrong with u
Berling	2010-09-29 01:18
	Just good luck for those who sign this season!
Cheimera	2010-09-28 18:51
	Yeh you have surely found "loopholes" in the rules, and used them, nice help . And you never came forward with problems in the rules until as I said, you used them to piss people off. Nice one, really, THANKS! I can't believe you even said that... Run leagues myself? Why would I ever want to run a league by myself? I run it with OTHERS. And there has never been any reason for me to run a league all by myself which I thank other admins for since I have usually been involved in several things at the same time. I don't have that much time. I've done interviews, articles, I have been a part of eq2l, edl, 2x2?, nidml, 2x2insta(outside the scene community), I have done work for Clan base as well in the past . Anything to keep the scene alive and anything the scene have requested. Now wtf are we competing like children who has done the most suddenly? . And no I did not bring it up, you started comparing and you asked. And no wonder it went well when you ran a league by yourself, you were in the admin crew when you ran the league, so no one was fucking around and making your life as an admin miserable... And yeh for whatever you have done, now if it is even one simple thing, or just one league or 50 leagues. It's appreciated and will always be. And it's never a MUST to do anything. We are only happy that there is at least some people that are willing to do it. And your accusations and trash talking about those people is an insult towards the whole scene. Get a grip. Edited: 2010-09-28 18:53
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-28 00:39
	Because it's not my job to write rules, it's admins job to do it. When there are mistakes in the rules, I want to help u by pointing them out. That's helping, I'm sorry if u dont see it that way, but that's your personal problem then. I have for example ran a league/tournament all by myself and it worked very well, how many tournaments have u ran alone to help the scene?
Cheimera	2010-09-27 13:16
	well thg, there could have been several things you pointed at but you did not formulate yourself very well. The admins can't cover everything in the rules, you know that. Now why the fuck did you not write the PERFECT rules for q2 scene? Cause you never cared a shit, you want everything served and if it's not as you like it then everything is shit and everyone is an idiot. That has not gone unnoticed. What did you ever do to help the scene except cooking your bullshit conspiracy theories? huh? What did you ever do to help?
DM	2010-09-27 07:30
	Its not about the rules, its all about the game, everything is ok with the rules, you cant think of anything new no cheating, no faking, no insulting
dr4gunov	2010-09-27 05:44
	PPL will decide what they want for themselves.
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-27 00:44
	I mean that u need to set rules before opening signups so people can decide if they accept them or not. Was that really so hard to understand? Oh my bad, forgot who I was talking to.
DM	2010-09-26 21:19
	so then dont want to know his other fantasies ))))))) you could get scared
Cheimera	2010-09-26 18:43
	yeh his attitude and fantasies about admins we do know.
DM	2010-09-26 18:28
	he means that all admins are nubs ?
Cheimera	2010-09-26 17:26
	you need rules for a league before you open sign ups? exactly what do you mean?
LakiZzz	2010-09-26 17:12
	thaigo suck or what?
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-26 17:11
	Cheimera: If u really need to ask that, it's a waste of time to answer u. It's like admins are begging for trouble. For example how many times it has been seen that u need rules for a league before u open signups? Like last 5 seasons at least and yet u still manage to fuck that up today. Hilarious
DM	2010-09-26 17:07
	because you are not thaigo ?
Cheimera	2010-09-26 16:45
	And why am I an idiot exactly?
kolt	2010-09-26 06:15
	http://q2scene.net/euroq2l/index.php?op=clans&id=60361&so=sqd
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-26 06:03
	Cheimera: Not everyone, mostly just you.
Delita	2010-09-25 16:33
	I take it no one read my article about being nice to your fellow Quaker?
Cheimera	2010-09-25 16:21
	Everybody is an idiot except thaigo -check. end of story
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-25 15:02
	Revo, ppl keep being stupid and asking stupid questions, like yourself, and I want to answer them. Oh well, propably waste of time, some ppl will just always be idiots and never learn.
DM	2010-09-25 14:58
	thaigo faker
Revo_	2010-09-25 14:10
	What happend with "Anyway, nothing to see here, move along with the "league" that u have here..." thaigo? You seems to be at this page a lot when you "dont care" about q2
DM	2010-09-25 13:19
	conversation between two best friends ))) Admins ! why did you hurt thaigo's feelings ?
Thuggee	2010-09-25 12:15
	verry interesting!!
centaurius	2010-09-24 20:34
	Eon pretty much resumed what I was thinking. Cheimera and Thaigo go to irc pls. and query each other
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 19:30
	I answered to the way that u represented the poll. Admin should be neutral towards all the players and that has been said and proven not to be the case with wision numerous times.
Cheimera	2010-09-24 19:27
	Well that depends on how you formulate the poll, or you would not even have to, it's not like people have missed out on anything. And yeh you are right, wision is an admin and is supposed to act like one, as he has done. Or he would not even have the choice he has today to be an admin or not to be an admin. Says a lot in my opinion. Good night, work tomorrow.
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 19:10
	The poll wouldn't be just about my and wisions situation, but about how ppl see us in general. Wision is an admin and is supposed to act like one when I'm just a player who can act more freely.
Cheimera	2010-09-24 19:06
	Thaigo, that's exactly what it would mean and there is nothing you can say that would change that. Truth hurts. Cause if the scene would see the issues between you and wision the exact same way as you do, would they not think exactly as you do? if they would agree with you?
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 18:58
	Eh, u totally miss interpret that imaginary poll of yours. That's not what that poll would mean. I can't even imagine where u could get that from?
lux0r	2010-09-24 18:57
	I agree 100% with gravgon but I was to lazy to write... he wrote it much nicer than I would tho when I sad to some of my real life m8s that I play q2 in a league, they give me a funny looks, like "wtf r u serious?", so 21 clans are pretty good for this prehistoric game... we should all thank admins for that... so.. THANK YOU WISION, THANK YOU BIAH, CHM AND ALL! =) god bless you all! and when I quit q2 it will be cause of thaigo!
eon	2010-09-24 18:56
	@to Masteris We had the same idea @plq2, last season, it doesnt work im affraid, max players limit 4-7 or 10-16 wont change anything, we checked that allready mate , maybe you will get 1 or 2 extra clans, but thats it. Plq2 admins tryed that and it just doesnt works. Anyway, you have to remember that some clans have a lot of members "like rebels for example" coz maybe they need em, you have to remeber that quake2 isnt so important, it is an old game, most of us play this fucking game for a very long time (12 years like me fe), we are not 15-20 y old anymore, a lot of people here got jobs, kids etc, normal life, q2 is just a hobby or whatever. My point is, that sometimes its hard to get 4 ppl even when you got 12 or 16 signed, my [H] clan used to work like that, a lot of players signed but it was a miracle to get a 4 for a league game, avg age was around 25 or more and our players just didnt care about it anymore, real life is more important. GL anyway guys viva la zubrowka ! @gravgon 10000% true, cheers Edited: 2010-09-24 19:05
Cheimera	2010-09-24 18:46
	ok, so then, the scene (majority) agrees with the admins. which mean, the right thing/things has been done. I don't know any other way I could put it. Cause if the scene would sympathise with you, they would defend you because they would not want the same thing to happen to them. Or at least that's how i would act and think.
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 18:41
	Propably me, because I have pissed some ppl in edl, eventho that's just because they can't read the rules. That poll wouldn't mean anything tho. Wision is an admin and he is supposed to act like one.
dug-	2010-09-24 18:40
	this whole debate is like this pic ... http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/truth_in_advertising.jpg
Cheimera	2010-09-24 18:34
	Thaigo, tell me, what would the outcome be of an poll where the question is: Who is the biggest dick, wision or thaigo? which one of you would get the most votes? And don't twist just answer. Going to be honest with you, this is a test of your self-image. so, you or wision?
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 18:26
	Haha Gravgon Does running a league "for ungrateful assholes" justify for being a dick? And yes, I'm sure everyone just turned 30 RIGHT NOW, not half an year ago, not a year ago but RIGHT NOW!
Gravgon	2010-09-24 18:23
	lol thaigo... "wision should look into a mirror". Well if he were doing that, he'd think something like "wtf are you running a league for ungrateful assholes? Are you stupid dude?". i have a better theory on why less people play q2 nowadays: players are getting older. Many of them are pushing 30 and it's getting hard to find time to practice and play matches. Q2 hasn't attracted new players for years now so it's the same old farts who sign up to the league every season. You can't expect every one of them to have the same amount of free time as they did when they were 16. The game has been released 12 years ago, it's pretty amazing that there's still so much activity. Edited: 2010-09-24 18:23
Cheimera	2010-09-24 17:51
	my bad I got it wrong. But by "all admins league" it sounds like you mean that the admins try to make this league to be as they want it to be in order to win benefits. But thing is, as I said, almost every single admin is semi-active as a player, or not even active at all. That's what I meant.
kolt	2010-09-24 17:45
	hilarious pls dont stop btw sng doesnt play eq2l because we dont have enough time to play plq2 and eq2l so thg's theory is not that great here
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 17:39
	In case u missed it, by all admins league I mean that there will be less and less ppl playing in this league and this is a big step towards that.
Cheimera	2010-09-24 17:33
	And you have every right to an opinion, and you have told it and we got it. So you can stop your crusade and concentrate on what you want do (QL or whatever that is). And let that hate out of your heart man. Admins league? Most of the admins have been like semi-active. Does not really support your conspiracy, does it? Edited: 2010-09-24 17:34
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 17:28
	All the trouble I got into was mostly because demos and screenshots. Everything started from there. Like I said, I'm wondering why they decided to leave exactly now and that I got my opinion why that is. But like I said way before, have fun with the all admins league, this is a big step towards that. I guess I should congratulate for the good job on that. Edited: 2010-09-24 17:32
Cheimera	2010-09-24 17:18
	Now demos and screenshots made you that angry? Who's the one joking? Or what were you jealous of provi? fucking kids... And yes I was joking, I don't believe you were the reason people left. My point was clear, don't twist it please. I know you ain't so stupid you missed my point which was that the reason for people leaving might be anything and we don't know it. But then again, life is much easier when having someone or something to blame.
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 17:09
	Yeah, he certainly doesn't have a personal vendetta against me, but it was just my "luck" that I was always asked for every demo, every screenshot and all that, but when for example provi was asked for demos, he just simply didn't answer and that was that. Did u ever see provi getting a warning? Yeah ppl got fed up with me and that's why they left quake2? Ure joking, right?
Cheimera	2010-09-24 17:05
	how do I explain it? Why do you need an explanation for everything? For what I know the possibility that people got fed up with you and left the scene is as big as your version? Try to be a little more open-minded please. The truth is, we are both speculating on WHY people have left the scene, neither one of us will ever be able to present facts. Maybe it's just simply enough the reason that they felt they wanted to move on, grew old, found another game or whatever. And about Wision? Why I do know he does not have an personal vendetta? Because he never made a single decision all by himself, admins don't work that way. They are all involved in the decisions that are being made during the leagues. How's that for an answer?
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 16:38
	"And those who got fed up with it what I know are like you and Gerppa?" Then how do you explain that exactly this season third of the clans dropped out when they have been here for like 10 years before? Yeah wision has been doing a lot good for Q2, but that doesn't mean he is always right and can do what he wants to just because he is an admin. You talk a lot about my personal vendetta. Have u ever considered the possibility of allmighty wision having a personal vendetta against me? Edited: 2010-09-24 16:43
Cheimera	2010-09-24 15:58
	And those who got fed up with it what I know are like you and Gerppa? And maybe some other wiz homies to you and other conspiracy theorists as muerte. There is still 20 clans signed up for this season and it is 2010, now who would have thought that back in 2001? The major reason for Q2's long lasting life have been the major work of admins during all these years and wision is one of the biggest reasons for Q2's so called "extra lifetime". This game would have been gone with the wind many years ago otherwise. Since q2 never got to be the most popular game in the quake series thanks to it's not so nubfriendly game play. If your explanation of the only reasonable reason to this "sudden" drop of interest in Q2, is that people are fed up with the admin attitude then you have not given it to much thought. The only explanation you got is due to your personal vendetta. And that seems very clear. Now 100 players is gone with the wind. This I know, i wouldn't stop playing q2 because of the admins, and if I got a 100 other players that would have been fed up with the admins I would either make an own league with the other 100 players and I bet the rest would follow. OR I would have spoken to the admins and said that there is a 100 players not wanting to participate in any of the q2 scene leagues thanks to the admins, and ill give you my word all of the admins would have backed off and offered their "jobs". As many of us even did thanks to you and you homies but no one wanted it. So that removes their rights to whine as they did not want to get their hands dirty. Something I have learned after many years of admining leagues is that, what ever decision you make, it will always make a part of the players unsatisfied and pissed off. 15 clans being unhappy with the admins would never go unnoticed. What have been noticed is that there is/was a group of players (~10 of them) that was not happy with the admins. This is how i see it and i know the admins have always been open-minded for any kind of changes as long as the majority supports it. An individual or an handful of players or even two handful's of players can not change the rules and the support of the majority. And your history or legacy as an q2 player does not give special rights to change things. It's the majority that rules, not the individual. And we clearly saw what the majority thought about things the past season. Enough said and there is no other way I can try to give you some peace to your mind. At least I try. That's all I can do. And all this is my personal view of things and it does not mean other admins support it. Good luck to you thg with whatever you are going to do.
nrk	2010-09-24 15:50
	I want to play too!
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 15:29
	For your information: Ql has been here for almost 2 years now so that reason doesnt quite apply. I'm not saying I was a popular one, but maybe it's time for admins(wision specially) to look into mirror. Many ppl got fed up with their attitude and that "admin is always right" shit. They are just not willing to put up with that shit anymore and neither am I. That's the only reasonable explanation I can think of why all of a sudden third of the clans stopped playing, div1 is no more, no more servers and all that. Last seasons happenings were just too much.
arch^	2010-09-24 13:27
	Many players went to QL, thats why thaigo.
Cheimera	2010-09-24 13:24
	I agree with Masteris a lot, there should be a limit of how many players a singel clan can sign up for the league. 6-7 players should be enough. Thaigo I am sorry I am bothering you, but do you actually think that the reason why EQ2L is getting smaller has something to do with you? I mean, do you actually think that 15 clans/~100 players quit Q2 because you got "fucked" by the admins? I hate to be the guy to say it to you, but in all honesty, you weren't THAT popular. PS: Purris attitude and "sportsmanship" is something special and rare. And something we all should emulate and admire. (when he looses to pogo in duels is not included though)
PURRI	2010-09-24 06:44
	Nice to hear Slippi. I was mainly wondering and hoping some of you still would consider to play. It's been summer, myself included have probably not played more than 2 nights with my clan, but that was since they were on LAN and we had a great time. I kind of agree with Masteris. We talked about the very same thing with play>. Could be a idea to force clans that have very many active members to reduce the numbers and perhaps get more clans? Not sure, but there is no need to have 8-10 active players in one clan. I check the PLQ2TDM from last season and there are more than 10 clans still not signed up from there. Perhaps they will, perhaps they wont, but there are some potential clans out there still. Try to think bigger than own motivations and grudges. Without #euroq2l we would not have anything left. If it's Wision or Thaigo himself running it, I would sign my clan to it for the sake of Q2's survival and nothing else I just wished a few more would think in those terms, or at least come with good ideas that would lead to a good change, and also provide the necessary help that would be required rather than leave negative comments and then think everything will solve by it self. Edited: 2010-09-24 06:49
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-24 06:15
	Purri, I know u didnt name Wizards, but top finnish players was the same as Wizards...And don't bother naming inactive damiah or raskal when ure asking for a clan from Finland. One inactive + raskal don't make a clan. Last season was more or less the end of an era for Q2, u can clearly see it in serverslist and signups. Only 19 clans compared to normal ~30...But that ain't even the worst part. I can only see 3, max 4 clans that are div1 worthy in signups today. Wonder why it happened now... Edited: 2010-09-24 06:16
masteris	2010-09-24 06:05
	I want to say my opinion about it all since ppl missing more clans. There is not much clans signed up and seems like not more than few clans will sign up till the end of sign ups. Imho the league is more interesting when there is many clans participate and league last longer. But earler and now i was allways interested why 70-80% of clans have ~8-9 active members? - look at signed clans now - only few clans have a normal members count 4-7 players. Other clans have more - i dont count players like Cleaner and Feeble who is active(with ) in 2 clans and i dont count INACTIVE players. Some clans have 11 and even 16 ACTIVE members - example rebels have a squad of 4 clans - i doubt league allows to play 4x16 cause i am afraid - all spawns can be covered! Ofc. its a joke, honestly i dont have anything against any clan it simply looks strange to me. Maybe better to make a new rule - "max players in clan 6-7?" it can cause: - More participate clans = more active q2. - Less bench players = more trainings, pcw's. - Longer league = more interesting. - Same players in squad = better tp. Only my opinion*
slippi	2010-09-24 05:10
	Stop whining and speculating bullshit since you don't know the situation in .fi scene. At the moment, we are trying to gather the remaining players who still got some interest in quake 2. Hopefully, we can make a team for this season.
Delita	2010-09-24 03:06
	Wizards only proved how unprofessoinal in experience terms they are for quitting q2 for petty reasons. They need to grow some balls. Secondly, be thankful for the admins because without them the q2scene would be nothing but a bunch of arogant cunts running around what little servers would be available and causing trouble. I would like to see Wizards back myself but not if they are going to complain about such triviality.
LakiZzz	2010-09-23 18:59
	and thaigo sucks
Bobek	2010-09-23 18:35
	gerppa & provi = wizards and Damiah maybe HBQ...
PURRI	2010-09-23 16:32
	I guess I was I actually did not mean Wizards. I ment Gerppa, Provi, Damiah and some others that are nice from the Finnish Q2 community. Nice, 2x Russian teams! GJ Edited: 2010-09-23 16:36
Cheimera	2010-09-23 13:24

BASSHUNTER	2010-09-23 13:08
	What I ment was that not everyone agrees with admins decissions and are willing to stand such bullshit anymore. Because of that it's naive and stupid to think that Wizards would continue in Q2 anymore. Anyway, nothing to see here, move along with the "league" that u have here...
zorre	2010-09-23 12:34
	Naive and stupid? It was the right thing to do, and if the players cant accept that and go on with it its their problem
BASSHUNTER	2010-09-23 11:50
	Purri, are u seriously that naive and stupid? What did u expect was gonna happen after last season?
DM	2010-09-23 11:45
	wizards are playing QUAKELIVE CTF )
Bobek	2010-09-23 11:00
	Wizards are out )
PURRI	2010-09-23 08:55
	Signups are getting better. But still missing so many potential good teams? The Finnish top players are all quitting TDM? Baltic/Russians could make a few teams? Even missing a majority of the Polish ones still..
Pio	2010-09-23 07:41
	we want NDML o/ Edited: 2010-09-23 07:42
sofiene	2010-09-22 17:51
	the tLk clan is looking for a 4th member,anyone want to ?
dug-	2010-09-22 15:18
	lets us make some coctail than \o/
michaq	2010-09-22 06:58
	I am also looking up for some funny clan ;P
Jou	2010-09-22 05:07
	Hmm, I might be interested.. Depending on the clan though.
sofiene	2010-09-20 12:38
	cool
dug-	2010-09-20 12:05
	SEBbull .. that makes us two, two more and lets make a clan for this season
nDiv:slayer	2010-09-19 13:29
	gl Edited: 2010-09-19 13:33
SEBbull	2010-09-19 12:18
	Any fun-oriented clan willing to pick up a total tdm noob?
PURRI	2010-09-19 04:41
	TDM!
arch^	2010-09-17 14:28
	Nice!
kolt	2010-09-17 09:33
	here we go again
dug-	2010-09-17 04:27
	wtf is all wrong with u ... LOOOOOOOOL ... jesus .. :rofl:
lux0r	2010-09-16 19:05
	hahahahaha rofl... ye, dug... stop fooling around like u r normal...
CoVell	2010-09-16 18:06
	lol
dug-	2010-09-16 16:55
	not everybody are "normal" like u nrk now stop flaming and sign up your homies ...
nrk	2010-09-16 11:32
	Dug dont try to act like u r "normal" please
dug-	2010-09-16 06:43
	tnx that q2 scene is having nrk.. what would we do without such comments
nrk	2010-09-16 05:55
	Wow, thank god its wision! Dug nobody cares about your share besides zduf
dug-	2010-09-16 03:29
	thats a good news if u need match admins, i am willing to help, smooth league running = gg. besides, any clan missing a member ? i'd like to give my share tnx again to admins, and ppl who will participate to keep game alive
mobiuz	2010-09-16 02:58
	Yeah nice initiative. Hope there are still some clans lurking around.
DM	2010-09-15 11:48
	Thank you wision and biah

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