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Match: wD vs qwned

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Summary

we Dream vs qwned
Type:	DIV 2 B
Referee:	Foen
Date:	2008-11-19 14:00
Score:	0:2
Frags:	0:0
Maps:	w/o, w/o
Scores:	o:w, o:w
Demos:	———

Description

[21:06:48] [wD-Froger] hi wd take w/c in tonight match vs qwned

4.9 The wildcard can only be used in the group stage matches and it can never be used to postpone a forced match

But if both clans agrees to play this game later, we can and we will remove the w/o, but it has to be played during this week!

Comments

kubi	2008-11-25 16:38
	lets the fight begin
Foen	2008-11-25 14:10
	Stay()ut: Maybe what i wrote is a bit missleading and i'm sorry about that, but i never meant it like you said. wD can only blame themself about this w/o and there is nothing qwned should or have to do. What i meant is, if qwned really want to play this official match vs wD it is still possible to do it with some delay, but they certainly doesn't have to do so. You are saying that we act like gods, but i would say we are acting like experienced admins with a common sense. As inactive as q2 is atm, i can't see how it hurts anyone if we give clans few extra days to play (if both agree). Actually it's only helping the league, when there are no "forced" w/os and that way most of the clans will stay in, without getting banned because of three w/os. If us being flexible with the schedule, and by doing that we help league go forward smoother, makes you think we are willing to break every single rule in euroq2l that is just insulting.
wision	2008-11-25 07:33
	you are basically right stayout.. but "thus may do what(ever) they please".. is it really that bad if we get pleased when people play their matches and not just give/take wo? your comment sounds more like that we (admins) take players/teams as puppets and we control them through the rules and if we don't like the rules, we'll just bypass them.. that's where you are wrong. we do not force qwned to replay the match.. just if they feel like they want to win (or lose) by fair play, they can agree and they can replay the match, even though that this situation is not stated in the rules
stay()ut	2008-11-25 06:52
	Thanks Gravgon for your explanation. I joinup with the thought that you basically can't write a rule for every single move/thing/whatever - its just impossible, and yes it becomes clanbase like, and that is really annoying. (I just red through the eq2l rules & there are some more that also make me smile and want to laugh, but ok - I don't want to start a "war" here. I'll just continue discussing this specific rule.) Foen: I dont want to be an a$$ and start quoting from the 'Rules" page but if a clan signs up, it is in his interests too, to read through the rules and understand and to be obligated to follow them! Now you say clan qwned should show up enough sports.. well, you in my opinion should wD be the one, not qwned. The match was already forced & I'm not even going to talk about the earlier stage of 'possible match time'. But ok, I'm not trying to piss anyone off here. It's just not right, that there are rules (that basically mean you must obbey them) & there are admins who are literarly gods, thus may do what(ever) they please.
rl	2008-11-25 05:53
	Read again my previous post...Probably you can't read or have some problems with thinking...Oh I forgot..You're in 'admin-crew', they knows everything better, fuck the rules...
Gravgon	2008-11-23 14:38
	Yes it's nice, and we rate the job we do by the number of signups we get every seasons. Looks like we're not doing so bad
rl	2008-11-23 12:48
	Yeah right wision, so like I said this rule is pointless since admin crew can do whatever they want...And now what are you trying to tell us gravgon is that, basically you don't need rules because 'admin crew' knows better what's right and what's wrong..nice...
Foen	2008-11-23 11:16
	And there is that IF word. If qwned can't field a team after forced time or for some reason don't want to, then w/o will stay. But if they show enough sports and can play later against wD then rule 1.5 kicks in. So the rule is not useless, because qwned can take the w/o if they want. And of course there are limitations how much you can postpone the game. But 3 extra days or so won't hurt anyone, or does anyone of you want to see the league full of w/os and multiple clans kicked out because of that, or a league with flexibility and good sports from other clans towards the other. We are going for the last one and I think it is pretty safe to say that most of the people would agree.
Gravgon	2008-11-23 07:39
	1.5 The spirit of the rules always prevails on the letter. When there is nothing stated in the rules for a specific situation, the decision regarding it will be left to the appreciation of the admin crew. That's the basis of Euroq2l rules. We could come up with a zillion number of rules like in ClanBase where everything is covered. The downside of it is that nobody reads or understands those rules. On the contrary, in euroq2l we don't have many rules. We assume people who join the league trust the admins to deal with the situations in the fairest way possible. The rules are there to cover situations where clans don't agree with each other
wision	2008-11-22 19:37
	the point of the league is not to turn most of the games into walkovers.. and because of that, admins usually allow the teams to replay the match later, if they both agree... with the experience with this comunity, i'm quite sure that strict following of the rules would hurt the league and players, so this kind of allowance should be welcomed
stay()ut	2008-11-22 11:11
	Foen: After this: "... But if both clans agrees to play this game later..." really, it seems the rule is pointless. If everyone can always agree on playing later (in other words after the deadline) then why people bother with the deadlines anyway. Lets just play whenever, uh? Seems that rules are just for... well empty words, if we can always over-step them.
rl	2008-11-20 14:34
	Really intelligent answer...
Foen	2008-11-20 10:14
	It is not and if you think hard enough you might even understand why.
rl	2008-11-20 08:58
	So this rule is pointless then...

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