"euroq2l admin Spam commanded hbq to break rule about lifts "[@Pogo^]: spam wants the lifts up so hes not gonna do anything =)""
Nice things you make up for yourself muerte. I would like to see that log from where i said anything like that?
I have never said or seen that what pogo wrote about me.. Sure i was on the server BUT i didnt see that lift was up and i didnt think of it = Things i dont know about is impossible to change
rofl @ that rule with lifts/buttons half of players playing that league even didn't know that rule exist is it from start of eq2l ? or some guy was bored and wrote it now? btw can i touch railgun when i respawn or i have to wait 30sec or smth ? touching lift/buttons was always part of q2.. ALWAYS watch some dm6 scooby demo or someone else, why i always see someone open doors to quad? just ask some coder r1ch/harven to remove that in mod.. and delete that funny rule. sorry for my english.
Dont go there sovet, I have my share of thoughts on various happenings troughout the history myself But thats for another forum, Your'e welcome to sweden over a drink and we'll proov them all ^_ ^
Hehehe, Nassal, actually I do believe that the 9-11 case is a whole fishy story. With evidents pointing at bombs not planecrash-induced collapses, suspicious findings (like a terrorist's pass from a plane, when the latter burned to the ground). So, I may actually consider the US goverment (or some higher officials) being involved in that matter (especially if we consider who was ruling the country - not the smartest guys of all).
hahaha muerte, you got us, It's all a big conspiracy. (Your last post actually overcome your last ones in stupidity, even so much that i cant tell if you are serious or not =D )
and as you already probably are thinking, the moonlanding never took place and USA bombed their own twin towers to justify a war and that HBQ along with admins here on eq2l were apart of that just to make a distraction for us to get a headstart on dm2 with lifts up so we could win the whole game!
Beware Muerte, Big Brother is watching you and he aint happy. *Conspiracy Brothers*
Seriously muerte, the comment about spam was a fucking JOKE. Spam always used to run the lift up in dm2 before it was against the rules. Wision obviously knew this as well and would therefore understand what i meant. I have never seen spam run the lift up after it was disallowed and i'm sure he didn't "command" his players to do it eighter.
And about wision "covering up" something, i was also on GTV and i didn't notice that the mega lift was up, you don't really think about things like that while watching a game on GTV, reading chat, alt-tabbing to irc constantly etc. Accusing wision of lying in this case is just wrong, like he said neighter Foen nor Spam who both had adminpass noticed anything eighter. Yes that was bad, but it happened and wizards kept playing even thought they knew the rules would have allowed them to restart. Replaying the game under those circumstances would not be fair to anyone.
The thing is that HBQ did wrong touching the lift and got punsihed, but you cant give the same punishment for CHEATING and pushing a lift button and all of you get it, and putka whining about that they should get banned for next season for touching a lift is because he is crying that rage/cccp2 got punished for CHEATING. Imagine the whine and 500+ comments on a game with a clan without admins who got a bann for a whole season for touching the lift .
But yeh touching the lift is bad, since imo, everyone plays with vent almost, so its really easy to say hey i touch the lift before countdown and everyone rush there wherever you spawn, now that makes a different and a very bug chance of getting it from the beginning. And yeh do you have some harcore lift keepers as provi there that would (could) turn the game into a win already from the start.
But punishment is right, you cant give more than a warning for touching a lift. And same will go for the next clan that does that, and i am sure it will happen soon again.
well when i saw nassal will play for HBQ i expect great 'Sex' match instead i get Lies, and Videotape's
'nice' thing u can find if ur idling not only on official euroq2l Chanel
[16.12.08.| 01:37:07] [@wision]: well.. i didn't even know that lifts were up [16.12.08.| 01:37:16] [@wision]: since gtv was on necro and he was ssg + quad [16.12.08.| 01:37:27] [@wision]: and there were also two admins on the server from both clans [16.12.08.| 01:37:33] [@wision]: neither of them did something [16.12.08.| 01:37:45] [@wision]: both had admin.. they could just "break" the match [16.12.08.| 01:37:54] [@Pogo^]: spam wants the lifts up so hes not gonna do anything =) [16.12.08.| 01:37:59] [@Pogo^]: and yeah foen should have
euroq2l admin Spam commanded hbq to break rule about lifts "[@Pogo^]: spam wants the lifts up so hes not gonna do anything =)" euroq2l admin Wision even with lie try to help HBQ and try to cover up whole thing http://q2scores.googlepages.com/arch.zip necro pov euroq2l admin Pogo try to blame Wizards euroq2l admin... watching nassal from syanid pov and how try to get 1st to small ra lift and when he saw gerdt change to big ra lift and timing with arch jump to mh lift http://q2scores.googlepages.com/nassal.zip just conformed what i suspect from start
imo only solution for this admin clan behevior is Kolt
HBQ should be kick out of league and ban in next season remove Spam, wision, Pogo from all admin position on q2scene Gravgon if was on hbq ventrilo should be removed to Foen should be warned not stop match with lifts up
if q2scene don't have decent admins to run league then all teams should sign up in PLQ2
*rl* - What do you mean, Did you understimate HBQ yet again? Then the rofl should be on you, not the game.
Sovet is right - the rules are there and they are there to be followed. Theres no point in discussing wheter it should be there or not.
Im not denying what i did was a rule breaking however at this point the only thing i can do is to apologize and explain why/how it happened. And by all means, Think of me as a "top player who breaks the rules and follow his own", i dont mind ppl dissliking me but dont attack the few ppl who even makes this possible for the rest of us, the admins.¨
Muerte - Are you, honestly, serious when you think that the admin has anything to do with the success of HBQ in the past and today? You scare me my friend, you really do(sadly it puts a smile on my face aswell).
@kubi u don't need to explain anything about lift tactic on dm2 every decent player know how is important at start get to 1. RA 2. quad 3. mh now so called 'HBQ top players' try to explain they didn't know that
pathetic that 'top clan all time' need to have 3 admin in euroq2l to secure win
I don't bitch about luck, I said I don't care whether lift is up or down. Imo it is bitching about smth trivial. I used to be okay with either way! When opp wanted it down, then it's down, when they wanted it up, then it's up.
To mrt's next post. Plz.. Yeh we won dm2 only cos lift was up :p We knew we would have good spawns for that. Cause our admins manipulate our spawns. Have it your way^^
Sovet... I AM OKAY IF IT'S DOWN. Don't come with more arguements please. I know you can think of 100 more, GOOD But it is not THE most important thing when you go play a war.
Yeh mrt, to get RA is important. And it got a 100% absolutely nothing to do with lift start, who will get it. Any 'top' player also knows this. Who will have RA at start is mostly based on luck, like who will get first penta on dm3.
Do we have 3 admins? I thought only wision and spam ^^ If you talk about Pogo... Why u even try to attack him? He is one of the most fairplay q2players left in this scene. If you mean gravgon, he doesn't have much to do with eq2l lately I guess ^^
Read my last sentence, to explain your last sentence.
All in all, the map at the map start should be the way as it is when it's restarted (lifts down). I don't know, if people will go on with this stupid "lucky spawn" argument, then why won't we disable cg spawn at dm1 or rg spawn at rdm2?
The best skill player wins in the end, not the starting luck spawn. But the map should be the way, it's when retarted, not how players make it be.
Hmm, I entirely disagree with you no this one sovet... I already explained it in my previous message I guess.
I don't give a shit if it's up or down. Only think that it's annoying is when there used to be 2 ppl who want it up and 2 who want it down, and game get's delayed for 10mins just thx to this.
'But about lift dilemma in general. Yes, the spawns are random, but once you spawned, you should be able to use your spawn position in the best possible way.'
Like when you spawn below small lift and enemy below big lift? Yeh, great you have a 100% useless spawn... When lift is up, both have equal spawn.
Your example on mh is also wrong. I put lift up, and I spawn below rl and enemy rail, and he gets chain. Then I only disadvantaged myself. This is the other way to look at it? It's 50/50. Like it would be when lift is down. It's always 50/50.
Really you can think of 100 arguements why lift should be down, and 100 why it should be up. But in the end, all players have equal chances either way.
I won't make this argument in light of this HBQ-Wizards stuff, cause it was their own call how to end this.
But about lift dilemma in general. Yes, the spawns are random, but once you spawned, you should be able to use your spawn position in the best possible way.
To describe the position best, let's imagine q2dm1 duel. You spawn next to box/lower rl entrance. Many players go for CG, if they listen certain sounds. But if the other player let lift up and runs with railarena spawn to base to claim CG first, it will some sort of luck-cheat. Cause his lift push guaranteed him CG domination.
Second thing, is about "map's starting condition". When you first enter the server, the lifts are down. So, let them be down, when the map starts as well. That spawn over there is meant to be, so a spawned player could claim RA. Not that he spawns there and has useless position (of course, if other team spawns at lower RL spawn and claims RL and prevent first player claim CG).
Besides, if you're bitching about luck, in 20 minutes time, skill will overcome luck factor. And starting RA spawn should not be a problem for dominating team, who can control quad/MH and RL nicely.
I do know why the rule is there. Cause in many pcw's and cw's ppl whine that lift should be down, and others whine that it should be up. So the rule is there only to prevent confusion/whine, I think. And it is good that it's there. The only thing is that it should just be forced on server, like in otdm mod. To prevent things like this ^^ You can compare it to the whine about who gets female skin. Now the rule is that hometeam is female, or can pick? Smth like that. Ppl are kids about these things.
That these rules are there says smth about scene imo. Anyway, since rule is there, lift should be down.
What the F? Whats to point of 5.8 rule anyway? Muerte, spawns are the same for everyone, you never know where are you going to be after countdown. Nassal, I didnt know about that ridiculous rule till now either. Slippi, your argumentation made it more clear, just let me know that you do get first spawning right.
KUBi yeh. I can understand that :p That means that the better clan has advantage when lifts are up. And when lifts are down, it's random. That's kinda what I thought myself.
Arch i can expain you what it matters when lift is up. When rule "about not touch buttons/lifts during the countdown" was added to "Rules" i was very sad. Tell you why. I play Ra position on dm2. I always during the countdown touch the lift (in last seasons ofc )becouse when lift is up and match was started i can make it in time and get lift when it is still up. It doesn't matter when i have respawn. (excluding under mh resp)
We do apologize for the lift incident, I can only speak on my behalf however but it was not an intentional move by me, I just completely forgot the part about the lifts beeing down(bad memory). I'll admit i havent read the rules and had no ide there was a particualar rule against this tho.
If wizards had left the team / would have said _anything_ during the map or even after the dm2 map we _WOULD_ have replayed it but we didnt think more of it and they didnt seem to do so either and nothing was said or done by either wizard or admin.(This wasnt even brought up by anyone untill after 2hours after the game when muerte brought it up in the eq2l channel)
Posting that the headadmin this game(pogo) is biased just beacuse hes swedish and that play lost vs us is just ignorant and wrong. Pogo puts out time and effort to admin a league for the public. Shame on you muerte, shame on you.
I understand wizards and i completely agree with you when you say its wrong however it feels like you are implying that if it was another clan then HBQ who did this it'd been a replay or even a WO as a punishment. Comeone, Do you honestly think that? I've always thought of you as wise and proper guy however after some of your comments im close to changing my mind.
Wizards - I apologize and i hope you dont think i intentionally tried to ruin for you / get us a headstart on dm2. And thanks for a clean and fun game if we count out the looong server search, We'll blame that on necro =). GL in the future.
gg.. big thanks to wizards for being able to play that late and also my apologies that server search took that long anyway.. i'm glad that slippi and thaigo understand the situation
Tho I agree lifts should be down, as it is in rules, can someone explain to me what it matters? Does any player know where he will spawn or smth? Both clans got equal chances from start, whether lifts are up or down.
Someone please make me understand it :p
Bad behaviour thaigo? It was not on purpose for sure. Well sportive to continue ^^ GG.
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