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Euroq2l #18
IRC: #euroq2l | GTV: skuller.net / gtv.digitalfrag.net
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Match: tOk vs m.
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Summary

flag Team On-line Killers vs Muffzors flag
Type:Div1
Referee:flag ph
Server:thaigoz
Date:2010-02-23 16:00
Score:2:1
Frags:417:367
Maps:q2dm6, q2next1, q2dm1
Scores:144:81, 104:164, 169:122
Demos:———

Description
dm6 as t0k homemap started with t0k dominance. For first 5 minutes muffzors were attacking each own position which resulted in nothing mostly. I saw a lot of lava diving and some argueing between muffzors during the game. After only at around 10 minutes muffins managed to make a decent quadrun. The second half of the game muffsors organised themselves a little bit and even supressed tok at some positions, but poles had an ace up their sleeve - Ivers on bfg who kindly supplied newly spawned mates weapons till the very end of the game.

next1 again lack of experience from tOk. I have seen them come up with a kind of tactics, they grabbed quad, even quadrun at around minute 15... but still it looked a little amateur. I wouldn't judge muffzors game at quad to be very impressive (though covell at mega looked solid) - with such an unexperienced n1 opponent they could have done better. Nothing more to say here...

dm1 - a pretty decider. tOk @ room most of the time. muffzors constantly attacking rail and often having success there... tOk take it back with chaingun, muffzors get it again with whatever they find. Muffzors problem was they usually stuck by the room entrance not being able to rial it clean. So more aim and teamplay from tok and a deserved win here.

q2dm1 demo by Ivers here, then his q2dm6 demo here and finally DM's q2next1 demo here

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Comments

biah
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2010-03-01 20:49 
Polish Q2 league is really an outstanding example of organisation and order. Strickt rules, all-seeing admins and all this additional stuff like reviews and commentator streams. The only thing it looses to euroq2l is competition level. Euro games present more challenging and thus entertaining matches for players and the community even despite a highr ping. emo
kolt
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2010-02-27 06:37 
what a shame coz it seems u know how a great q2league shud look like
arch^
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2010-02-26 10:56 
Though I am not 'boasting' about my league emo I don't want to run a league sadly :d It would be more likely that I wont play q2 then me starting a new league :p
kolt
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2010-02-26 10:29 
arch i have a solution for u and it wasnt even hard to find it
create that 3rd league and its done

google "plq2" and u have a picture

Edited: 2010-02-26 10:34
arch^
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2010-02-26 10:22 
I didn't say that clanbase was such a good league :p

And my 'idea' was not to replace plq2, but to start a second european/international league. So there will be euroq2l, plq2 and a third 4o4 league. Also I am not saying that there should be only polish ppl in admin crew... They can let others in!

The polish scene right now is not really the most respected scene I think, even when they have the best organized league. I find that a bit weird. Also I am not saying that the PLQ2 admin crew MUST start a new, european, league. It's just not the first time that I hear polish players 'brag' about PLQ2 and I know so little about it, I am curious what they could do with an eu league.

"im not saying all foreign players r bad but there r some"

Lol emo Yah and there are some lame polish players too, or not.

Edited: 2010-02-26 10:28
kolt
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2010-02-26 09:48 
yes arch for us "stuff around the league" is more important and fun than "the quality of the clans" and guess what
clanbase is dead and plq2 is still in good shape so maybe we r not that wrong here?
plq2 is much more than a league for us - its something that makes the scene alive
there r clans and players who play q2 only because of plq2
ur saying plq2 crew shud make it international league but there would be a lot more work to do and im pretty sure the level of the league would go down
why ? because in eq2l i dont know most of the guys i play against not like in plq2
u see the pattern here?
its all about beeing a big family and we will not let some foreign players ruin this (im not saying all foreign players r bad but there r some emo )

btw duel leagues r not a good comparision here

u call it nationalism but for me its protecting our league from going down like clanbase

Edited: 2010-02-26 09:50
arch^
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2010-02-26 07:56 
It was like that back in the days, and we cared more about eu leagues yes. The quality level of the clans/players was more important then the stuff around a league. At that time it was clanbase and not eq2l btw.
Imagine that damiah and purri are saying BDL is more important to them than EDL cause there are reports and previews emo

Anyway, only the polish scene is so big, so you guys see everything different I guess.

One thing that I wonder is why doesn't the plq2 crew make a second european league. Like plq2, but open for any clan. Then they would work more together with the eu scene instead of working only for polish clans (THIS IS WHAT NATIONALISM IS, learn english).

That is why I am slightly annoyed with this pro plq2 talk... It's great that you have such a good league but it doesn't mean a shit to me or any other non polish player.

Edited: 2010-02-26 08:01
kolt
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2010-02-26 07:32 
arch ur wierd
ur trying to say that if u had .nl league with many clans, good pings, great coverage, and all ur friends and enemys playin in it it wouldnt be a priority because eq2l is international
i dont believe u
arch^
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2010-02-26 03:20 
The scene is just too small Cheimera emo PLQ2 have 18 polish clans in the league atm. And ehm, 20 crew members emo One crew member for each clan? emo

Euroq2l has 27 clans of which 11 are polish, so we can say that more than 50% of the current total scene consist of polish clans and players.

The only other scene that has a decent own scene is the russian :d

Edited: 2010-02-26 03:29
Cheimera
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2010-02-26 02:42 
I actually get what zotter says, it is alot more fun to play a league with lowpings first of all, and with radio shoutcasts interviews and all that, cause it doesent always have to be about only the game themself.

its to bad eq2l is not the same
arch^
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2010-02-26 01:48 
I already believed that it is better league with interviews and reports etc. But euroq2l decides which is the best clan in europe, and kind of in the world, and plq2 decides which is the best clan in poland. Plq2 can still be more fun, but I don't see how it can be more important.

Same as cheimera said.

You make a league that only polish clans are allowed to enter, right? The polish scene is probably bigger then the eu scene. There are more ppl who want to admin, all speak the same language and all have same culture and understand eachother better. So it is also a little easier to make it work well.

Still, the clans that enter are for me personally, much more important then whatever interviews, reports etc there are. I never even read interviews and reports when they are there...
kolt
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2010-02-25 18:49 
u wanna know why plq2 is our priority?
1st pings (yes we prefer to play with our normal pings not 2x higher)
2nd level of the league overall - eq2l is far behind plq2 in many aspects just like zotter said
arch : u can call it whatever u want but we have the best q2 league there is atm with many great stuff that eq2l dont have
eq2l comparing to plq2 is like half-league
shame that u write about sth u even didnt check
and yes lets put it in the "nationalism" box coz u dont get it emo

btw. biah as new admin is doing good job making this league better
other admins shud follow him

Edited: 2010-02-25 19:05
arch^
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2010-02-25 16:51 
Well this ain't really the place to discuss this I guess. But I think what you write is awkward.

Edited: 2010-02-25 16:53
zotter
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2010-02-25 16:42 
arch really stop with that shit, its not my fault that european clans never tasted plq2 and you cant compare it with eq2l
masterg its about whole atmosphere, not about exacly the match
arch^
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2010-02-25 16:14 
Zotter, no offense but that is kind of a nationalistic post! I think your post is total crappy attitude towards non polish clans...
MasterG
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2010-02-25 15:50 
"interviews radio gtv shoutcast previews and all that stuff" what does it have to do with actual players who play games?
zotter
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2010-02-25 14:51 
lol guys dont start trash talk somewhere where its no needed, nationalistic crap etc
polish clans care more about plq2 because its pure league with interviews radio gtv shoutcast previews and all that stuff
euroq2l is like pcw league, you come play your game and bb, maybe for rest of you guys its normal league but for all polish clans its just like some random pcw
Cheimera
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2010-02-25 13:23 
Well yeh i think its wierd that polish clans care about plq2 more than eq2l, somehow i feel and think that, competing on the highest level is what everybody aims for?

Or maybe the polish clans are tired of the div1 domination we had by certain clans before this season in eq2l?

And about the next1, its a really good map and i think polish clans will start to like it once they start to play it and get to know the map more, as i said before, next1 is like made for polish clans and their tactical gameplay.
arch^
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2010-02-25 10:47 
No I was writing it like that because I got the idea that ppl thought that many people like the map, and only the polish clans don't.

Wasn't that clear yet rl? That was kind of what the discussion was about... And it is good when many people like it, I think.

So still the question remains, why do many clans like it, or at least think it's ok, and polish clans don't!

Edited: 2010-02-25 10:48
*rl*
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2010-02-25 10:07 
it's good cause you said so? mkaaai
arch^
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2010-02-25 09:01 
Yah ok. Though that polish clans have 2 leagues doesn't mean that they can't care more about eq2l than certain clans who play only eq2l :p

Also it is kind of stupid imo that polish clans care more about plq2. National compared to european... What is more important? Well, polish have always been kind of nationalistic compared to scandi's for example... Probably got smth to do with that.

Also your theory doesn't explain why a good map like next1 isn't added yet to plq2 maplist, but is added to eq2l.
You are kind of turning things around. It isn't added because most players don't like it probably?


Edited: 2010-02-25 09:04
kolt
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2010-02-25 08:36 
i just answered u in my previous comment
next1 is not in plq2 and we dont care that much about eq2l as about plq2
arch^
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2010-02-25 08:33 
Actually I never saw M playing next1 before. I only know of BAM and rage that they like the map atm :p

But let's say that it is true that only polish clans don't play it. I just wonder why that would be.

Edited: 2010-02-25 08:34
Cheimera
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2010-02-25 08:24 
or maybe arch, they just dont play the map, simple as that =)
arch^
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2010-02-25 02:15 
How can it be only the polish? It's almost like there is some specific difference between polish teams and others. I think its tp map, but also movement is very important. Maybe they don't like the movemenet part? I dunno...

Edited: 2010-02-25 02:15
hauti
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2010-02-24 13:28 
yes after 10 minutes some polish player on this map discovers quad position emo or asks on ventrilo/ts there is mega/quad on this map ?
hehe ;-)
feeble.
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2010-02-24 13:24 
yes, I think the same Cheimera. I don't mind playing next1 on a proper level, but I know my mates attitude towards this map and I hate playing it when everyone else just don't give a fuck about it. sad but true emo I've played this map plenty of times when at least one guy in a team asked how is this map played coz he didn't know it. I don't have to add more I think... emo
Muerte
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2010-02-24 13:24 
why to learn q2next1
when *r*l become euroq2l admin next season
q2next1 will be baned forever
Cheimera
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2010-02-24 10:20 
haha not the only way but its true, polish clans havent played it much, its a little sad cause next1 is a real teamplay map. And polish teams are usually really good in teamplay, so if a polish team would start practising next1 i think they would kick some ass on next1.
kolt
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2010-02-24 09:33 
the main reason is that for almost all polish clans euroq2l is not a priority
we treat it more like a place to practise tp and some new players(those second lineup players)
plq2 is the priority
feeble.
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2010-02-24 08:18 
yes Cheimera, it's the only way to win a map against Polish clans, as they don't practice it. what a crap ;x
onimusha
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2010-02-24 03:03 
yeah, stop doing it
Cheimera
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2010-02-24 00:32 
hahah n1 muffz, i feel so sad about the polish clans, every1 picks next1 vs them emo
LakiZzz
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2010-02-23 17:03 
nice next1 DM emo

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