hmm? NDML is a .eu league last time i checked? But since so many countries left and some countries outside eu have a team, it's nice that they play. But it has big disadvantage with the pings. BTW to me the pings on this game, 140 against 170, look quite fair. And the 4v3 ofcourse sucks...
Arch, I think that we´re talking about NDML = Nations DeathMatch League. This isn´t some european only league, so, if the rules applies to some country, it should do it for ANY country so.
If really there´s NO way to find a neutral server, then home/away its the solution (looks like u guys like that better).
arch: I assure you that it is. And you'll probably convince us that pausing the game for the brazillian team is not possible too.
Btw: See the game Ukrania vs Belgium. Last time I checked it at my map, Ukrania was still in Europe. Perhaps I should buy a new map, you know, global warming and such alot of things, maybe countries are just taking a walk around the globe and being thrown to other places...Who knows.
Dimmo: He was talking about 1v1, not 4v4, though it doesnt matter. Predozor: Then sorry. But we were very pissed of yesterday so none provocation or joke would sound good to our ears at all.
I'm not saying that Poland was guilty. Could they have paused the game instead keep killing someone lagged that they saw had lost the connection ? Yes, they could, BUT they HAVE NOT to do so. They could, but they didn't need to. That's why we have one referee in the servers and that's why this league has admins. Otherwise, it would be a mess, just like this game was. Though, the funny thing is that we HAD an admin responsible for this game, we talked to him and etc. I could begin wondering why match wasn't paused by him, though, as tosquey said, what's done, is done.
All that we want from now on is fairness, ping and rules. We played agains Turkey too and there was a guy with 20 ping while we were 180. We always played agains europe teams with ping ~120 and we were 170. We ALWAYS played in disadvantage and didn't complain about it, but now that's enough of it. We are not special at all, we're just one more team who likes this game and likes to play it as a team, but since we got in, we want some respect. Respect about us and about the rules. You guyz know exactly what I'm talking about. What happened in Q2DM2, wouldn't EVER have happened if Sweden or Finland were playing.
As I said before, GG, well played Poland. We still got some games and we're sure we can change this situation and keep in the league. Cy'all in the matches.
I wasn´t playing goat, as I said, when I left the server (before the match begins), nhd, klz and lalas were pinging like 170 and polish team had 160 ping. That was kinda the deal with u guys before the match.
I WAS TOLD when I came back that polish players refused to play on that server, I didn´t really know that some players of brazil had that ping problem after that, but my point is: if brazilian players ALWAYS plays with 160-170 ping, why wouldn´t other countries?? When we try to find a neutral server, doesn´t mean that we want 140 ping for us, but a ping difference LOWER than 15ms (as the rules says).
About the timeout case, as the rule that I posted says, anybody could´ve paused the match, it was just a matter of good sense imo. Our team captain lagged and couldn´t pause it, so maybe the admin could´ve done something about it, right?
Anyway, what is done, its done. Everything i´m posting here is to everybody do some thinking about it, we (brazil) pay the price for having so fuckin bad connections to the rest of the world, so there are lots of things that we CAN´T change.
tosquey: "When I left the server, before the match begins, we´ve found a much more neutral server, where polish players had like 160 ping and brazilian had 170. But for some reason, as I was told later, the polish refused to play on that server because of the ping." WTF ? yeah, u had 170 ping for 2 minutes, after that your ping jumped to 200ms and u agreed to back to this server... (140 vs 170 is better than 160 vs 200 isn't it ? ) btw. why didn't u ask us to give time ? just a little flood like "time please" and i'm sure u would get it in 5 seconds... marraqy: "Then they will try to find a neutral server which means the ping difference cant be bigger than 15ms [...] only when Brazil plays the rules are not followed?" do u know any server with ping less than 200ms where our ping difference won't be bigger than 15ms ? i don't think so...
You forgot to mention another important rule, marraqy:
"b) During the match: If a player drops during the game (overflow), the teamcaptain has to use timeout to pause the game. Nevertheless, everything should be done to pause the game in that situation and the admin might pause the game himself if its necessecary, its up to the other captains sens of fairplay to decide if he will use a timeout if its needed."
We´re not saying that Brazil would´ve won the second map, but it wasn´t funny to lose that way, playing AT LEAST half of the game with one player less. It seems that the ping disadvantage wasn´t enough.
When I left the server, before the match begins, we´ve found a much more neutral server, where polish players had like 160 ping and brazilian had 170. But for some reason, as I was told later, the polish refused to play on that server because of the ping. If Brazil plays with 170 ping, why wouldn´t they (or any other country)?
The score on the first map show how strong brazil can be, even though we have not the same teamplay as europeans teams. I´m GUESSING that we´ll probably be REALLY HARD to beat playing on same ping on q2dm1 at least, to ANY european country. We accepted to play on that ping disadvantage, but we shouldn´t have.
Maybe from now on, we´ll have to figure out a way to play some sort of home/away on USA servers, so the ping advantage wouldn´t be always for our rival.
Big difference between our homemap and q2dm2 ? The HELL yeah it was. My connection with the server was lost, everyone kept killing me after I was lagged, my team warned YOU - admin - that we were with one player less and you didn't stop the match or plead someone to do. I was my team's captain, so noone could stop the match, unless YOU wanted it. If it wasn't enough, the damned server was FULL and I couldn't connect untill 2 or 3 minutes remaining to the end of the game. We lost, yes, well played Poland, though I would like to understand why the damn game wasn't paused for 10 minutes while we were with 1 less.
Predozor: Try to face a skilled brazillian player in a duel and you both under the same ping. 5 maps, I wish you good luck. If you don't know what you're talking about, do us a favor, just don't talk any fuck, or it's gonna be big crap, just like you did.
Rules "a) Admins - Helping the teams to find a neutral server to play the match"
"a) Before the match Then they will try to find a neutral server which means the ping difference cant be bigger than 15ms, only VISIBLE packetloss can be an excuse to change the server."
only when Brazil plays the rules are not followed?
Yea predozor, we have only dm1 on brasilians servers,and we have very SKILLED players,who plays WITH EVERY ping,i said EVERY PING,in EVERY SERVER,we are playing all NDML with minimum of 30 MS diff ping. Its funny,cause when the europeans have 160 ping,they cry. They cant play with 160 ping cause europeans play ALL maps .
ohhh,we can play 4v3 if u really like,like dm2 game,we dont care to lost a game. We know us force,like MIBR and Reef,no doubt about it.
We just dont play some maps ,played in europe. Like u dont play ztn2dm2,match1. sorry,but u had a pathetic commentary.
POL vs SWE 
FIN vs RUS 
Gerdt
But since so many countries left and some countries outside eu have a team, it's nice that they play. But it has big disadvantage with the pings. BTW to me the pings on this game, 140 against 170, look quite fair. And the 4v3 ofcourse sucks...
