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PlayOffs and 2nd Group Stage

2005-01-02 15:30 | Gravgon

I hope you all have had nice Christmas and New Year feasts. We are back on some more serious things now.

The PlayOffs pairs have been decided randomly via an IRC script and here they are:

Sweden vs

USA

Finland vs

Ukraine

Germany vs

The Netherlands

Poland vs

Belgium

You can find the PlayOff schema ->

Explaination:
The PlayOffs are Double-Elimination, which means there is a winner-bracket (where all teams start) and a Loser-Bracket.
At the first stage of the playoffs, the teams that lose the match are placed in the Loser-Bracket tree. The winners of those match meet the next teams that are kicked out of the Winner-Bracket.
The winner of the Winner-Bracket has a place in the Grande Final while the winner of the Loser-Bracket must meet the winner of the 2nd group stage...

You are lost?

That's because I forgot to speak about the 2nd group stage... The teams that didn't make it to the playoffs are placed in two new groups for a second group stage running in paralel with the playoffs. At the end of those group matches, the two winners of each group meet in a final. The winner of that mini-final meets the winner of the Loser-Bracket with a handicap of one more best of 3 to win.

To sum up:
If you are in the playoff and you win all the winner-bracket: you have your place in the grande final and you must win only one best of 5 maps to win the NDML.
If you are in the playoff and you win all the loser-bracket: you must fight against the winner of the 2nd group stage (only one best of 5 maps to win) to have your place in the grande final where you will have to win 2 best of 5 maps.
If you aren't in the playoffs and you win the mini-final of the 2nd group stage: You have to fight against the winner of the Loser-Bracket (1 best of 5 to win + 1 best of 3)

The groups for the 2nd group stage have also been decided:

Group Alpha:

Lithuania

Austria

Czech Republic

Slovenia

Group Beta:

Croatia

Estonia

Chile

France

Italy

The first round of the playoff AND the first group match must be played before the Monday 17 January (the schedule for the group matches will be put online soon)

Comments

Claymore	2005-01-08 10:26
	fixed, sorry that i let you wait so long ... small bug again :/
zbone	2005-01-05 06:57
	>would you mind sparing me your sarcasms? I m not good enough in English allow myself be sarcastic. >the playoff tree on the website is bugged as you can read in my very first comment. Only the webmaster of this site (not me) can fix it. Well, i also read that someone already fixed it. >Still, It's not that hard to understand the playoff format, it's not that hard to come and talk to me on IRC either. Its not easy right now. There are several private circumstances. >I'm sorry if i made it hard for you to speculate over the future matches and results of your team in this league Sarcasm?
Gravgon	2005-01-05 06:09
	would you mind sparing me your sarcasms? the playoff tree on the website is bugged as you can read in my very first comment. Only the webmaster of this site (not me) can fix it. Still, It's not that hard to understand the playoff format, it's not that hard to come and talk to me on IRC either. I'm sorry if i made it hard for you to speculate over the future matches and results of your team in this league
zbone	2005-01-05 04:55
	Maybe, if you created correct playoff tree with both winners and losers brackets, and teamnames in it, you would avoid such number of questions? I dunno when i will be able to reach IRC. Maybe tonight.
Gravgon	2005-01-05 04:23
	ask me in pm on IRC that way you'll come on IRC and people will stop looking after you everytime they need to schedule a match tired of answering here to all your maths.
zbone	2005-01-05 01:43
	OK. Lets see Sweden 3 vs 0 USA 21.00 20.01.05 Finland 3 vs 0 Ukraine 23.00. 20.01.05 Germany 0 vs 3 The Netherlands 22.00. 20.01.05 Poland 0 vs 3 Belgium 23.00. 22.01.05 In this case pairs will be USA-GER and UKR-BEL?
Gravgon	2005-01-04 13:22
	ive just told you if USA is eliminated the first (as in they played their match the first and lost) they get the first spot, then Ukraine play their match and lose it, they take the second spot and meet USA you'll see
zbone	2005-01-04 11:05
	Naaah... Lets see at Gerdt for instance )) Sweden 3 vs 0 USA Finland 3 vs 0 Ukraine Germany 0 vs 3 The Netherlands Poland 0 vs 3 Belgium _________ USA, Ukraine, Poland and Germany fall to losers bracket. Can u tell me what pairs will be? USA-Ukraine, USA-Poland or USA-Germany?
Gravgon	2005-01-04 10:33
	just like last season, the first to be eliminated from winner bracket gets the first spot of loser bracket, the second gets the second, and so on..
zbone	2005-01-04 10:13
	I don't understand how will be decided pairs of losers of first leg of PO stage. We will have 4 teams in losers brackets. Who vs. who?
Gerdt	2005-01-04 08:27
	my prediction Sweden 3 vs 0 USA Finland 3 vs 0 Ukraine Germany 0 vs 3 The Netherlands Poland 0 vs 3 Belgium
Gravgon	2005-01-04 07:12
	i doubt it, don't forget 1 round = 1 week you mustn't let the winner of winner-bracket wait too long before playing a match. different other systems were taken into consideration and believe me this one fits the most with the delays and the league.
lesser	2005-01-04 05:00
	actually i believe i can make a better system based on your double elimination + alpha/beta groups, just tell me if you want it :p
Gravgon	2005-01-03 06:55
	> if the 2nd stage winner LOSES vs the losers bracket winner, he should PLAY for third place with the losers bracket final loser. and then for fourth and fifth. the losers bracketers should still have a chance for third, fourth and fifth place. < considered I hadn't thought to that tbh but you have a good point there. Keep the suggestions coming, this league is by players for players.
lesser	2005-01-03 06:45
	>Anyway I've seen last season that a place in the ranking doesn't mean a lot to the teams once you are out of the top 3 agreed. but still there is a flaw, all the teams in the playoffs are better than the 2nd stage teams but you are giving away free third place for the big losers ?
lesser	2005-01-03 06:42
	>the third is the loser of the match [winner of loser bracket] vs [winner of 2nd group stage] thats not really logical. check it out a little bit -> all the teams that qualified for the playoffs are (presumably) better than the ones in the 2nd group stage. the winner of the Llosers is then third ? wtf ? if the 2nd stage winner LOSES vs the losers bracket winner, he should PLAY for third place with the losers bracket final loser. and then for fourth and fifth. the losers bracketers should still have a chance for third, fourth and fifth place.
dIem	2005-01-03 06:35
	omg not again netherlands =D
Gravgon	2005-01-03 05:58
	the first is the winner of the grande final the second is the other finalist the third is the loser of the match [winner of loser bracket] vs [winner of 2nd group stage] the 4th and 5th places are teams which were in the loser bracket. The 2nd group stage interest is an autoberth to the last step before reaching the final (which is already a nice thing since those teams didn't make it to the playoff but have a chance to reach the train just before the terminus). Anyway I've seen last season that a place in the ranking doesn't mean a lot to the teams once you are out of the top 3
lesser	2005-01-03 03:22
	hmmm the first three places are ok, but what bout 4th, 5th ? i mean, if the 2nd stage winner loses against losers bracket winner, what place is that ? :p i think there is a game missing (the losers bracket final) loser vs (mini final winner vs losers bracket winner) loser [in case the mini final winner loses against losers bracket winner] and there is the unfairness if the mini final winner loses against the losers bracket loser, he maybe doesn't deserve fifth place so he should play losers bracket semi final winner for fifth
daelmun	2005-01-02 19:25
	Hehe, no problem at all. How can I refuse being of help when someone comes up to me saying I seem wise! Yeah, to me this is the only way to do it without playing too much game which probably result in too much waiting, and still motivating the 2nd groupstage teams to play. Nice system gravgon. Good luck to USA vs Sweden though. Looks like the favourite teams (.se, .fi, .pl) were all lucky in not playing eachother. Lucky bastards Good luck to all the other teams as well.
Scooby	2005-01-02 16:51
	"they got me in the system" gl and hf everybody! gravgon hug but now u have 2 die ;[[[[ ... grav-gone :]
CyraX	2005-01-02 16:39
	nice system! sounds promising!
Gravgon	2005-01-02 16:08
	Thanks to Daelmun-the-wise for his help btw :>
Gravgon	2005-01-02 15:48
	the playoff tree on the website is fucked, i need claymore to fix it

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