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About rules and behavior?

2004-04-14 07:28 | berla

Since a couple guys "no names mention" trying to be kings or rulers over us #q2scene and decide what "we" the crew should do to make them comfortable about channelrules like: No awayscripts, No mp3scripts bla bla, and so on.
And now im a little sick n tired of this. When youre trying to do something good for Q2scene thoose peoples always complaining, not criticize.. thats for sure! Anyway.. mabey they right? Is it to mutch spam/adverstie/scripts etc in the channel? I think it would be nice if someone out there with the rest of the q2scene crew could help me out here?
Mabey its meself who is the big problem around here? What should I/we"crew" do to make thoose peoples sadisfy or solve this huge problem?

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The poll is about if we should allowed all types of mIRC scripts in our channel or #q2scene or not! And after this poll (going on for a week, 7 days!). Lets voting folks! And no cheating!

Comments

Dimmo	2004-04-19 05:02
	i agree that away scripts are silly
dhope	2004-04-18 18:00
	Dimmo, everybody doesn't vote in the parliament. The options available are: 1) agrees 2) disagrees 3) void 4) _abstains_
kolt	2004-04-18 17:26
	dimmo it must be because only .fi ppl care about such silly thing as awayscripts
Dimmo	2004-04-18 16:32
	typo: message was for kolt, not claymore
Dimmo	2004-04-18 16:31
	dhope: In parliament everyone votes, dont they? These sites polls vote percentage is 3% (>1300 users, 45 votes). claymore: hehe, it must be because of non-finnish people doesnt even get what the poll is about
kolt	2004-04-18 16:07
	85% of those 20votes r from .fi
dhope	2004-04-18 14:28
	Dimmo, we use empty votes as well in parliaments But it's a nonsense to have two options to those who can't decide. A bit biased... we can see what the askers opinion is and that should never be the case if we are talking about democracy.
Dimmo	2004-04-18 12:10
	and 24% yes'. "wtf this is so silly" is same as "i dont care" btw what is the sense of counting idontcare votes? those who dont care wont vote either.
dhope	2004-04-18 09:20
	44 per cent of NOs so far. I love democracy
leW	2004-04-16 13:19
	Lame undertaking...
floyd	2004-04-16 12:28
	lol.. "irc etiquette" XD
manu`	2004-04-16 11:10
	...
duo	2004-04-15 19:45
	ok ok whatever you say
kolt	2004-04-15 19:05
	DM there is no "pyzdelka" word in polish btw lets end that topic - 61 comments = enough
duo	2004-04-15 17:26
	hello
DM	2004-04-15 09:33
	Gerdt irc-etiquette lol ) u know what is IRC ? it pyzdelka in polish and bullshit chat in english ... mirc is made for stupid ppl , like us gamers , for children irc is not for serious speaches, its just for communications im pissed off on it , in real life i am another guy , not that one which u know from irc. ...............
Gerdt	2004-04-15 08:03
	irc-etiquette ; says enough for me please..
Dimmo	2004-04-14 16:37
	Exactly Gerdt! IRC was invented in Finland and irc-etiquette says that public aways are bad. You would know some of the etiquette if you had irced in the original irc network - ircnet.
dhope	2004-04-14 16:13
	Communism and Stalin? These two don't belong together. Stalin was a mad Totalitarist, not a Communist. Read your Marx </offtopic>
Gerdt	2004-04-14 16:12
	It's just an habbit of the Finns, I don't know any other irc channels they Finnish ones where you get kicked when you change your nickname. Deal with it, #q2scene is not a Finnish channel and does not have the same rules.
DM	2004-04-14 15:37
	it was just a question of time ... stalin (CCCP) almost didint loose the 2nd WW. German had to thin clothes
Masba	2004-04-14 15:32
	Well, if history wouldn't know Stalin, then you all would be living in a world set by Hitler.
DM	2004-04-14 15:23
	YES ! YES ! KOMUNISMUS IS THE RULE ! Dimmo obey the rules ! Stalin also said that ;]
Dimmo	2004-04-14 15:20
	By reading these comments i see that some people get mad if they get kicked or bankicked from channel for public aways. Whats so wrong in it? If a channel has rules, you must obey them. If you dont like the rules, nobody can stop you leaving. In channels where im op, public away user usually gets kicked, with the reason told in kickmsg. If he has autorejoin (kick aint invite) he gets ban. Its not my problem if the kicked/banned guy gets mad, im only an operator - most of the channels people approves the kick/ban.
Digital	2004-04-14 15:01
	Zloy, get a dictionary. Where did I say I can't stand them? I said I can't understand them. I haven't banned em' on any of my channels (would if the channels were big) but I think they are useless spam especially on bigger channels.
zloy	2004-04-14 14:31
	DM, yeah. But its also good to be polite sometimes. Digital, do you have headaches or you loose control? What do those away messages do to you, that you cant stand them? Maybe some ppl arent using those systems wisely, like changing away every 5 mins. Then yeah, I agree, THATS annoying. On the other hand, away's are useless. Cuz you might've left a note, that u'r in the bath, meanwhile u're playing q2 or even left the room. So ignore those messages.
Digital	2004-04-14 14:25
	The bigger the channel is the more annoying the awaymessages etc. are. I just can't understand the urge of flooding the channel with whatever you are doing. And I'm sure the majority of people can live without this "info" too...
DM	2004-04-14 13:55
	If u say to me , i just telling my oppion Speach freedom man , i say what i think every where and when i want .
zloy	2004-04-14 13:53
	plz. stop the instulting shit. you dont look better. and stop telling each other what to do. thats also stupid. just relax.
DM	2004-04-14 13:48
	mummo : "Guys go fu** yourself, and i agree with dimmo. Gavron, and just like i see, your look like a real n00b, did you never see your face in the mirror ? you better look it! " mummo i suggest u , to look in a mirror cut ur hair , find a girl , stop masturbating
zloy	2004-04-14 13:48
	in nnscript its done very easy: /setup + awaysystem > Messages [x] enable public away messages [] In all channels [x] ignore these channels/queries (add, #q2scene). nns 3.73 Most of you ppl right. Just in some cases some people like to read whats happening in a channel, if there's really some activity, but not those mp3/away scripts. btw, i dont see any problems with mp3 advertisment. Maybe that man just want some attention. AND PLZ. this is not a reason to destroy your relationship. The way I see it, xir got a bit annoyed and upset and provoked berla to reply, which provoked dimmo to quote. Or maybe im wrong? Anyway, thats not the point. The point is that some ppl get annoyed from public messages. Others dont and think thats usefull (well it is, you dont have to /w thedude to see, whether has he put "away: gone 2 bed" or just cant reply. If you think that away messages are stupid - don't use them. But you can't forbid others to use it. Sometimes, when ppl get banned for an away msg, they get pissed off. I dont think that the chanrule creators ever think about that (Yes, that happened to me too, ask Nikodemus. lol. Wes I angry about it .) I really dont see a real problem in this situation. I think you will agree with me on this one: if they (msgs) were really stupid, nobody, even nns authors, would make such a stupid thing a part of their script (in my case - nns). /away lool. i wrote too much and made an illegal operation and will be shut down. /ame IS NOW SHUT DOWN... plz find an [X] to exit
DM	2004-04-14 13:45
	like plz dont make KOMUNISMUS in q2scene if i want to use away scripts I use , i dont care if some one likes it or not , mp3 scripts is used only when ppl speak about music , or trying to do some fun. berla : "Since a couple guys "no names mention" trying to be kings or rulers over us #q2scene and decide what "we" the crew should do to make them comfortable about channelrules like: No awayscripts, No mp3scripts bla bla, and so on. " ok i am the one , so ? ban me if u will feel better , i think u wrote bullshit here , bigger than raV did ... q2scene must be about q2 not about channel rules , mp3 & and away scripts ... berla i suggest u , just dont look @ msg'es if u dont like them ...
Masba	2004-04-14 11:42
	work goddamn avatar!
Masba	2004-04-14 11:33
	I guess this is one of the "forever issues", or how to say it. I'd like to see some facts to gravs opinion on "99% irc users use away nicks or messages" Like allways, this is just one way of showing the "finns vs swedes" attitude seen everywhere. Some of us (finns) don't like you, and you don't like us. Simple. I vote NO to public aw-messages, it can be done silently. What comes to np scripts I think they're ok as long as one ain't spamming it all the time.
dhope	2004-04-14 11:27
	Whole war going here! : Why can't people argue and keep calm? It isn't that difficult, believe me!
berla	2004-04-14 11:27
	Dimmo: Mkay Peace!
Gravgon	2004-04-14 11:21
	mummo get a life morron gah disgusting geek :X
Dimmo	2004-04-14 11:20
	please ignore mummos comment, hes my cousin and now i need to punish him
kolt	2004-04-14 11:18
	amazing performance by mummo im impressed
mummo	2004-04-14 11:14
	Guys go fu** yourself, and i agree with dimmo. Gavron, and just like i see, your look like a real n00b, did you never see your face in the mirror ? you better look it!
Dimmo	2004-04-14 11:12
	hehe: berla please stop vomiting on these sites!
Dimmo	2004-04-14 11:09
	I guess there is barely 20 finnish people that wont join #q2scene because of public aways and other ignorance about irc-etiquette. There will most probably be more people who wont join the channel if there will be rule against public aways. So is the topic solved now? Is the final conclusion "public aways are senseless, but we dont care"?
berla	2004-04-14 10:49
	Dimmu, haha.. here we go again, well.. my english isnt the greatest.. but now you making fun of me twice.. please stop that?
dhope	2004-04-14 10:47
	Kolt, in fact, I think that that's one good solution. E.G. to publish such a filter script in q2scene website. I'd be happy at least.
kolt	2004-04-14 10:42
	i agree with Gravgon - if some1 doesnt like "away-shit-gay-scripts" just do not join the channel or make urself a script that will not show all those bad msgs -> just like Dimmo did last time. Its really strange that irc scripting thing is SO important 4 some ppl.
dhope	2004-04-14 10:38
	rav, you're trying to escape from the subject. That's a classic "WE ARE DONE!"-georgeWbush-attitude there. I'd rather see arguments for maintining public aways allowed. But apparently nobody has such arguments.
Dimmo	2004-04-14 10:35
	I dont have problems being at #q2scene regarding the public aways. mIRC can be easily made hide them. We were just trying to answer to the original news item - why we taunt for public aways. OK i wont complain about it on your channels anymore. For berla: Sorry i cant answer you because i dont fully understand your english and i think you dont understand it either. ps. kolt is the leetest ;D
raV	2004-04-14 10:32
	debate about that kind of shit is more than silly.
dhope	2004-04-14 10:22
	"raV 14.4.2004, 16:14:05 Imo there's no need to set any rules at irc channel. It's just really not important thing." OK, that's an opinion. I disagree but at least you've made clear what's your opinion and that's a good thing.
raV	2004-04-14 10:14
	dhope : I don't like debates about nothing.
raV	2004-04-14 10:14
	Imo there's no need to set any rules at irc channel. It's just really not important thing.
dhope	2004-04-14 10:13
	rav, you don't have to be a part of the debate if you don't want to. But if you don't want to please remain silent rather than bring forth irrelevant issues.
Stuff	2004-04-14 10:10
	hm .fi maybe this is why u always come 2nd? u dont use away script!!!
berla	2004-04-14 10:08
	Overall I really think a voting for futher furture channelrules and also behavior would be good.. It should be fair with a majority vote, dont you think?
Gravgon	2004-04-14 10:08
	LOL Like we really care if few finnish divas "don't bother" joining the chan ^^ Who the fuck do you think you are? guys like inqu etc. if you don't wanna join the chan because of the away scripts which makes you have psychotic tendencies.. no prob, stay on #quake2.fi and have fun idling 24h/24 99% of IRC users are using away msg or away nicks or simply like to display which song they are listening to at the moment, and this with fancy colours. Why should we create special rules for 1% of people who get frustrated because of that?
Stuff	2004-04-14 10:06
	"gerdt i've always seen scandinavian people whine about those scripts, on some channs you get kick-banned when you change your nick to xxx-away. " not scandi.. finns don´t like it. always dimmo or foen or someone like that that is whining about away mess... just look on #quake2.fi and #kontula.. u cant even join them if u have anything with away in your nick.. so stupid... let ppl have away script if they want to.. it works for #q2.se and i guess it is one of the biggest q2 chans?
raV	2004-04-14 10:06
	h3h3 . benefits and drawbacks of lousy lame scripts h3h3. life in finland must be really sweet if you think that something like this is a problem and it's worth whole debate about it.
berla	2004-04-14 10:03
	Quoting Dimmu: As a bonus i paste this log, just to keep this as whine news like berla it started. * berla is now known as berla\|kg2 * Dimmo is now known as Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp * Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp mp = mp3 14:29:19 Session Ident: berla\|kg2 (~berlan@h105n2c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 14:29:19 <berla\|kg2> fu 14:29:22 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> 14:29:32 <berla\|kg2> next time i ban u 14:29:34 berla\|kg2 berling is authed as 14:29:55 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> we have joking on always on swedish nick chaning 14:30:01 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> dont take it personal 14:30:18 <berla\|kg2> Same here, kinda fun to ban .fi 14:30:30 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> Well.. Instead of making fun of me listen an do it carefully! Sometimes we all get msgs, or kinda highlights. After a while you might concidering that you must change nick either way or make that enjoing away/ame/me msg you seems to hate. Just because to be alone and not distrubed! I used to only change nick by myself, instead of /ame* away So I belive you thinking "Yeah, this must be cool! i´ve would make fun of berla to past a log that u was started with enjoing actions like imitate my nickchage" I really dont see the point of it? Like i should imitate you all because your NOT changing nick or what? Pls cmon?
dhope	2004-04-14 09:57
	rav, I think you are missing the point here. We are not here to discuss about our mental health. We are arguing the benefits and drawbacks of public aways in general. And with help of that discussion we might make things better also in #q2scene which possess great opportunities in uniting the quake2 players.
raV	2004-04-14 09:51
	and btw. I'm rather nervous person but I think that if somebody gets really angry when he see something like mp3/away script need help of psychologist
raV	2004-04-14 09:41
	kolt : there are few guys like weirdo for example. most of his actions is not chatting but banning. for example i've installed some script to protect myself from fuckin' bans and pinging but it has also auto away message. i hadn't turned it off. once i was playing q2 or smth and when i was back at irc i was banned then this guy called me "pierdolony szczyl" - dunno how could i translate it to english - just because i had sent away message once.
Inqu	2004-04-14 09:36
	I think it's easy, if you wanna make it an irc channel for european scene maybe you should make the place as neutral as possible, not irritate anyone. We finns do not like away-scripts because they are plain stupid and immature, so get rid of the away-spamming. Easy, isn't it? Sure you can make whatever rules you want, like esperanto and swahili only, must use colors, nick has to be at least 12 letters etc.. Just don't expect to attract a lot of ppl to #q2scene. So far the ranting and spamming has banished quite a few finns away, and the chan is considered now as a berlas little playground that sounds almost as tempting to join for finnish quake player as #cs.se Inform us when you've got some sort of channelrules and we might reconsider joining it again.
dhope	2004-04-14 09:33
	I forgot to ask the supporters to bring forth more benefits of public aways. Conversation, conversation, not flaming (this is to both sides)
dhope	2004-04-14 09:23
	Firstly: "Trying to be kings of rulers" - To have an opinion is not about trying to be "a king of rulers" Then to the point itself and it comes as my opinion: What good do away nicks and actions offer to us? OK, its purpose is to inform other people in the same channels I am that I'm now leaving my computer. Great, but when do people really need to know if I am there at the moment? - Seldom, that's a fact at least. So, the benefits are low. What drawbacks we have then? - as mentioned, they are mostly useless - they are mostly ugly actions instead of normal, maybe even decent /msg's - they make the channel look like an ocean of spam, and the meaning of the channel is to be a place for conversation, not the place to get to know what people around the world do in their lives in addition to irc'ing (for that purpose there are loads of web diarys out there). OK, how to target the information that I'm away to the right people (those who need to know where I am right now)? In irc, there is a silent away command that does not spam any ugly, public away messages to all the others in the channel. I could perhaps use it but then I remember that I prefer being rational and wonder: "Let's assume that I'm now "AFK" (as they say it) and Mr. X wants to talk with me. He soon realises that I'm not responding. Thus, he realises that I'm not there right now!" We have solved the away problem without using any annoying means. Maybe when I'm leaving the country or something similar, long-period absense takes place, I can then use the silent away which informs the asking person via /notice without doing any mentioned drawback to the channels I idle. As to "now playing" scripts, they are in my opinion OK if they are in a form of normal /msg's without colors and other useless rubbish. And in addition, it's not used every time the song is changed (no automatics is good here).
Dimmo	2004-04-14 09:03
	Regarding public aways (=awaynick,action,asay) read this first: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html. At #quake2.fi and #kontula nobody uses public aways and everything is much cleaner. 1) Your message doesnt get lost right away because of needless nick changing or automatic generated messages. 2) You dont have to join channels just to search the guy who you need to query. He has always the same nick, period. 3) All other things is explained in the page which url was mentioned above. If still you dont get it, then think it this way. 1) Do you shout in your stairway "IM AWAY, BRB" when you leave your apartment to go to shop? 2) If you dont answer you are away. Simple. As a bonus i paste this log, just to keep this as whine news like berla it started. * berla is now known as berla\|kg2 * Dimmo is now known as Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp * Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp mp = mp3 14:29:19 Session Ident: berla\|kg2 (~berlan@h105n2c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 14:29:19 <berla\|kg2> fu 14:29:22 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> 14:29:32 <berla\|kg2> next time i ban u 14:29:34 berla\|kg2 berling is authed as 14:29:55 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> we have joking on always on swedish nick chaning 14:30:01 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> dont take it personal 14:30:18 <berla\|kg2> Same here, kinda fun to ban .fi 14:30:30 <Dimmu\|kg2\|dl\|mp> Session Close: Thu Apr 08 14:50:52 2004
Gerdt	2004-04-14 08:30
	i've always seen scandinavian people whine about those scripts, on some channs you get kick-banned when you change your nick to xxx-away. Don't make stupid rules on an irc channel, it's still irc..
kolt	2004-04-14 08:20
	xircuit we will miss u so much, really rav dunno why ur writing that shit about #q2.pl - there r lots of channels with lots of ops...
raV	2004-04-14 08:09
	Why you don't like away and mp3 scripts? they're pretty funny. and i don't think that something like that should be a problem. with these rules you're making a copy of #q2.pl when somebody could be banned if he had for example outgoing message that one of ops doesn't like. it doesn't make any sence ...
zloy	2004-04-14 08:05
	just dont spam on all chans, i've made my nns to shout it only in active channel... =P
Gravgon	2004-04-14 07:58
	stop refreshing your IRC channel tree and go have a barbecue outside instead. Good solution for you lot who don't like away-scripts and mp3-scripts
berla	2004-04-14 07:51
	Well.. channelrules can be arranged, but not only by one or two persons, we should vote about it.. and when i mean "WE" i mean the crew..
xircuit	2004-04-14 07:47
	away-shit-gay-scripts sucks, atleast those public shits that most of you use. and when i say something about that i get kicked, not whining about kick thingie, u saved me from a lot of trouble writing /part #q2scene and there is nothing that forces me to idle there, right?
kolt	2004-04-14 07:39
	haha check my comment's time below \/\/ whos leet ?
kolt	2004-04-14 07:37
	kill em all

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