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2x2? III : changes

2006-09-15 08:21 | Gerdt

Which changes so far?

In 2x2? III we will have:

- A loser bracket starting from the 1/4 finals (77% voted for this)
- q2next1 out of the maplist (67% pro votes)
- q2rdm2 out of the maplist (52% pro votes)
- Two new maps : ztn2dm3 and q2dm7 (polled)
- Semifinals and Finals will be played best-of-5 (in both brackets)

Now please vote on the poll for the map that will replace q2next1!

What preceded:
2x2? II went so smooth that I'm already thinking about a 3rd season.

Therefor I would like to have your opinion about possible layout/rule changes.

Here they are, please comment below (by number):

1) amount of teams: We had 32 teams in this league. Should the 3rd season have more? Unlimited signup? 64 teams?

2) <span class="underline">groupstage: Should I go back to the groupstage - which was not very succesfull in 2x2?I - or keep the direct elimination tree? With or without losers bracket?

3) maplist: More or less maps? q2rdm2 out? Another map in? Post your opinion.

4) max players: Should it be changed to 2 players max. per team? (instead of 3)

5) Other changes: Something else you would like to see different.

Post your opinion!
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Comments

SPACE	2006-10-03 11:03
	Yes, match1 is good for 2x2. I don't understand what's the problem with q2rdm2. There is possible to take armor, full chaingun, and put the rain of rockets on railman. So teamsay: Takeout railman! And done.
leoner	2006-10-02 06:56
	the amount of teams too low increase itt and also dm7 for 2x2 is sux,rdm2 is better Edited: 2006-10-02 07:05
zdufs	2006-10-01 08:07
	conspiracy
KPAH	2006-09-29 05:36
	vote about maps should be provided by playcing comments resalt of voting poll looks doubtful
Muerte	2006-09-29 04:12
	ye arch ebay have cheap tents for camp in dm7 RA hole in 2x2 dm7 sux match rox in 2x2
arch^	2006-09-29 03:22
	lol is rdm2 out? I'm fine with rdm2 and next1 out, and ztn2dm3 in. But why dm7 I wanted to see match1 Edited: 2006-09-29 03:24
KPAH	2006-09-29 02:20
	3) next1 must stay and rdm2 shuold be replayced not by ztn3 but 2box4 there are 4 rails and 4 players what u need to be happy? 5) when 4 teams left they shoud play each other Edited: 2006-09-29 02:22
Muerte	2006-09-28 09:48
	rdm2 out !! u can call this 3rd 2x2 league "mouse united" against meanmachine Damiah/Dimmo
Gerdt	2006-09-27 13:33
	ztn2dm3 it is
Muerte	2006-09-27 08:12
	q2rdm2 stay OK ztn2dm3 in OK best of 5 maps from 1/2 OK good job Gerdt Its left just good seed tree and we
dx.hr	2006-09-27 05:01
	especialy becouse last 9 votes came after you reopened the pool and probably are fake accounts.
careem	2006-09-26 14:47
	next1 out ztn2dm3 in and basssta.
arch^	2006-09-26 14:05
	I don't think u can put rdm2 out just cause of the 3 difference in votes
Gerdt	2006-09-26 13:10
	next1/rdm2 out; ztn2dm3 & dm7 in?
careem	2006-09-26 08:58
	next1 is in rdm2 out, omfg
EchO^	2006-09-26 08:14
	rdm2 <3
Damiah	2006-09-26 05:08
	If rdm2 is voted out (which is stupid since there was already a vote=) what map will replace it? Q2next was voted out and if it comes second in the current poll, is it going to be the second "new" map for the league?
dx.hr	2006-09-26 04:27
	it would be fun to see names of 9 players who have voted NO after the pool was put on again
eXecutor	2006-09-26 03:20
	q2rdm2 in or out? OUT bbvotebbbb 23 (53%) IN bbvotebbbb 20 (47%)
arch^	2006-09-25 03:30
	Btw Gerdt you forgot match1 in the voting list. It seems to be good for 2o2. Imo add next1, ztn2dm3 and match1. And rdm2 out ofcourse
fpS	2006-09-21 06:36
	hm. then its ok :>
wision	2006-09-21 05:58
	well... after 1st round there will be only 32 teams :]
fpS	2006-09-21 05:21
	1.loser-bracket after 1/4. 2.kick rdm2, include dm5 and/or ztn3. wision, it seems to me that 64 teams is too many bkz league\'ll lose interest to it as <simple and fast> (Š Dimmo) league.
wision	2006-09-20 18:20
	1) max 64 teams 2) no group stage, single elimination and with 8 teams left make it fde (with loosers bracket) 3) q2rdm2 out, ptrip in! (yes.. that 1 vote on ptrip is mine ) 4) max 2 (but ppl can start faking etc..) Edited: 2006-09-20 18:21
FOEKEN	2006-09-20 18:04
	i agree with arch, looks pretty strange to me! it was pretty clear out! It looks like it switched or something
feeble.	2006-09-20 11:46

dx.hr	2006-09-20 10:32
	damiah & dimmo payed gerdt to fix the voting
arch^	2006-09-20 10:00
	lol, its not a matter of thinking. I am 100% sure the order of the yes\\\'s and the no\\\'s changed. But i dont think the votes itself switched from no to yes or smth. Maybe its just a browser thingy? Edited: 2006-09-20 10:01
Gerdt	2006-09-20 09:54
	It\'s impossible to change something on the votes... and then again I don\'t think something switches or whatsoever
arch^	2006-09-20 09:36
	Didn\\\'t u switch it accidently?:p cause like I said, the yes/no order changed 2 times. Edited: 2006-09-20 09:37
Gerdt	2006-09-20 08:44
	rdm2 poll is back .. as you can see most people want it IN
feeble.	2006-09-20 06:04
	hmm ? wtf with this rdm2 ? last time I saw this poll there was quite a big advantage for kicking it out . it\'s a duel map , not for 2x2 , because it\'s not balanced enough ... one doesn\'t stand a chance to retake main pos against more skilled players...
arch^	2006-09-19 12:02
	the vote yes and vote no for rdm2 also switched 2 times. I wonder who is doing that?
Pogo	2006-09-19 11:42
	Removing rdm2 was leading until strangely one day it totally turned with lots of votes. Guess .fi and .hr gathered all their pals
Gerdt	2006-09-19 07:35
	About 63% wanted rdm2 in the league
eXecutor	2006-09-19 06:50
	- q2next1 out of the maplist (67% pro votes) whats with rdm2? the poll was clear too if i saw it last time
Muerte	2006-09-19 05:50
	maps !!! i know You are totally bored played ztn2dm3, ztn2dm2 and other rdm maps but if u ban 2 maps from 2x2 rdm2 & next1 what is left "3 never played maps" dm1,dm2,dm3 i sow yesterday on Finland server few brave young mans who play ztn2dm3 (2v2) and u know what they survive
Muerte	2006-09-19 05:49
	Claymore wrote: "[script solution->] since u can make unlimited playoff trees you can use it for qualification (in each tree u can set some teams with higher skills just like with groups)" i think we don't need to guess who are teams with high skill. they already prove it I'm think about seeding ranks all teams who play in 1st season playoff get points 1=100, 2=75, 3-4=66, 5-8=55 all teams who play in 2nd season from 1/8 get points 1=100, 2=75, 3-4=66, 5-8=55, 9-16=50 at end we have 1st 16 seeders 1,16,14,12,10,8,6,4,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,2 if is any team inactive, will be replace with next one in ranking system for 2nd 16 places in 32teams 2x2? league (most effective) all other teams (who is active of 60 teams who sign up for 2x2?) play direct elimination tournament Gravgon: Solution: make the loser-bracket starts after the 1/4 only. best suggestion and little add on from 1/4 teams play best of 5 maps (this is best European teams and they must show his skill on more then 2-3 maps )
dx.hr	2006-09-18 14:26
	vote gravgon! and thaigo and quake2 have nothing incommon, not even number 2 :
thaigo	2006-09-18 13:58
	I'd like to remove rdm2.Quake2 and rdm2 have nothing incommon, except the number 2 in name.
Claymore	2006-09-18 02:04
	[script solution->] since u can make unlimited playoff trees you can use it for qualification (in each tree u can set some teams with higher skills just like with groups) and then best of 8/4 can play with LB (as Grav said)
arch^	2006-09-17 06:47
	Yeh i like that idea gravgon, we should do it like that.
Gravgon	2006-09-17 06:38
	Solution: make the loser-bracket starts after the 1/4 only. So only the teams which reached that stage can have the loser-bracket if they lose in the upper one. You can make it start after the semis too if you want.
Gerdt	2006-09-17 06:08
	It looks like the majority here wants a loserbracket. I personnally think this will slow down the league and bring lots of w/o's. Another point is that some clans will probably lose interest when they land in the lb. Of course if everything goes smooth the "right" clans would meet in the final. Still I think that with a good playoff tree and some knowledge of the players I could make sure these "right" teams would have a chance to play the final against eachother.
arch^	2006-09-16 18:43
	rdm2 isn\'t 1 of the most popular maps. It\'s a duel map. But maybe you guys from finland play it in 4v4 or 2v2? I never play it, and u want to remove q2next1? Anywya we will see what the polls say. Edited: 2006-09-16 18:44
Damiah	2006-09-16 14:11
	Why to remove rdm2? It is one of the most popular maps in q2 at the moment. For the "new maps": ztn2dm3 would be a good choice, but I dont think there should be more than 5-6 maps. I would keep dm1,dm2,dm3 and rdm2 + add 1-2 new maps.
Gerdt	2006-09-16 08:12
	muerte whos talking about hours? the poll can stay here for 2 months or more if you want.
Muerte	2006-09-16 07:30
	new maps ztn3/duel8/Rage very balanced good map for 2x2 ztn2 back in time (serbia) we play often this map 2v2 (without quad and bfg) but im sure its worth try.
Muerte	2006-09-16 07:26
	plz dont ban rdm2 bkz u cant win against .fi @pogo i agree with thaigo "it has nothing to do with q2" but with old q2 (dm1 only) rdm2 showup at right time to rise interst for q2 in new atractive level, and be shame to ban this map @Gerdt im think u as admin shuld wait at least 24h before poll to ban this map from HBQ ligue Edited: 2006-09-16 07:37
dx.hr	2006-09-16 07:11
	if rdm2 has nothing to do with q2 then next1 has nothing to do with anything
Gerdt	2006-09-16 07:03
	Vote on the new poll(s)! Edited: 2006-09-16 07:20
feeble.	2006-09-16 06:55
	ye remove this rdm2 rail camping shit
empitrii	2006-09-16 04:11
	1) Should be let to register as much teams as wants, but after signups close, u should select the active ones. 2) I also think the groupstage must be. 4 in each group(well, dont care is there 32, 36, 48, 64 or more teams) and then, after that play offs with looser bracket to have real final in final, not in qtr final. 3) 5 maps is 2 few. I think some ztn map and dm7 could be good and playable. I dont know what about rdm maps. havent check them all yet. And why not dm6 even, not so big map and also playabe I think. And remove next1 plz, i finish watching final demo pov damiah after 8mins.. sucky 4)max players for sure 3, cose it keeps w/o-s away. 5)do net 3M in, always some shit with them. Edited: 2006-09-16 04:17
Pogo	2006-09-15 22:29
	Remove rdm2(in thaigos words, "it has nothing to do with q2" ), only allow 2 players per team and make some nice seedings and the next season could be even better. Don\'t care about the amount of teams as long as they are all known active players, not some random guys who will surely not show up. Edited: 2006-09-15 22:29
Dimmo	2006-09-15 20:20
	just like it was. simple and fast
Platon	2006-09-15 15:15
	I won't participate in this league but imho there should be 64 teams, without groupstage and of course with LB.
dx.hr	2006-09-15 13:57
	same number of teams, no groups, loser bracket, and dont kick rdm2 ffs. its a good map, much better than that next1 crap. and put dm7 in
drowsy	2006-09-15 10:29
	1) Amount of teams - Increase it!! 2) Grouptstage - i dont know, loser bracket? 4) max players - keep it 3!!! Especially when you increase the amount of teams. If you make it 2 players a team there will be more change on noshows i think.

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