- Why would you want to ignore me? I am the only person who writes anything worth reading here. Everyone else just writes vague opinions or un-witty banter. :
There are 300+ Damiah demo's, that every top player can download, observe and get round it, why have only a few (Purri, Provi) accomplished this a few times?
Hit the nail on the head with that one Duco and the answer is: Because players on the modern scene disgard progression and mimic the established top players. A copy does not give rise to individuality or originality it is just a weaker version of an already established entity. Players like Damiah, Purri, Provi are what you call second generation. These players are oldschool duelers which understand the concept of improvement. An oldschool player is developed different to the new school players of today. These players are forced to learn the tactical side of Quake 2 as back in the old days the internet was not as good and the was not a solid established routine of playing (by this I mean the was a lot of undeveloped tactics and strategies). A truely awesome player would not allow himself to be sesceptible to copy cats. You will not be able to learn my style even if you watched a million demos of me simply because my style is truely unique, only the routine (experience) side of my game is generic. Because my aim and movement has always been generally weak compared to the 'top players' I keep the statis quo by being significantly smarter than them (In terms of Quake 2). Basically the point is, the modern players of Quake 2 are not as good as people think. The norm reflects the skill level. Purri, Damiah and Provi always win because the players of Quake 2 do not understand how to duel anymore. A lot of players have excellent aims and awesome movement but think about it... that makes them no different to a bot in some respects. Aim and movement can only be so good, pushed to the limits of Human and in game physics but the mind is infinate and it's what seperates the good players from the bad. Damiah may have beat Zorre through smart thinking but I suggest you do your research into Zorre's potential or reasons before you start labelling.
You didn't invent anything, you just copied 1st generation top UK players.
Copy no, be inspired yes. This relates to the first part of my post. If you use some intelligence you may even figure out why.
Delita: if you would have watched the game or demo's then you would have seen that Zorre made only a few frags: most with railgun (long distance frags) and a few with chaingun. He was keeping distance most of the time and didn't play aggressive. In fact - 2 frags in 5 minutes, while having 200 health+ 100 armor isn't aggressive. Talking about strategies and manipulation isn't needed because Zorre made a few mistakes that we're directly punished, while Damiah made even less mistakes, but the mistakes weren't punished because Zorre stayed on long distance. As we all said: Zorre has good aim (rail+chain) + movement (jumping, speed) but he knew Damiah has much better rocket, because he didn't make a single kill with rocketlauncher. Maybe Zorre can do much better: probably he was too afraid to make a mistake.
Delita: if Damiah tactics would be so hard and getting round it would only take observation and practice, then the only question remains: why NOT? There are 300+ Damiah demo's, that every top player can download, observe and get round it, why have only a few (Purri, Provi) accomplished this a few times?
Delita maybe you can contribute to this discussion by talking about the game 'Damiah vs. Zorre', but not a word about it, while i give my detailed opinion after watching both demo's. This is just another place for you talking BS about 'your invented tactics and strategies'. You didn't invent anything, you just copied 1st generation top UK players.
I can't believe Delita still thinks he is/was/had the chance to be an above-average player. <--- I've beat players you would even be to scared to play. The fruit bowls left in Quake 2 now days are talentless.
nice games.I thougt zorre would make more damage,atleast 1 map.He had good chances to win both maps if he played more agressive,something was missing from his game,hard to say from damis pov but seen zorre play better ;p And very sad to see damis play atm :/ moving and aim is far away from hes best performance, zorre had clearly a better aim almost everywhere on the map,but dami is sneaky.Somebody gotta warm up dami for the finals ;p nice show even tho both players are not in their best shape.
i agree with duco after watching dami-zorre demos i have a feeling that zorre didnt want to win he was too passive on both maps when he was in control (luck was on dami's side too) i expected more from zorre here but looks like even "out of shape" damiah is very hard to beat in official league game
Oh and by the way. Zorre's duel tactics are much better than people think, Zorre just tends to play aggressively regardless of the opponent simply because he gets bored fast. Damiah, yet more patient and tends to have weird attack times still does not have a very superior strategic or tactical basis. Damiah is what you call a strong all round player, having high abilities in most areas such as aim, tactics, movement and experience he still does not hold a unique status in any attribute which gives a player their individuality and edge. I am pretty sure I have said this before, Damiah's whole play is based on his adaptation of experience and is almost routine. However because he is strong in most areas of play he can pull this off more effectively than most, and his strange timing defect makes him come across as a tactical and unique player. Personally I do not see any greatness in this form and I am not even sure if Damiah knows he is doing it himself but to get round it would only take a matter of observation and regular practice against him.
So Delita, assuming Zorre is better at dm1 would be foolish or you must be considering that he's better at dm1 in teamplay, in duel things are different as you can see in the demo's. Damiah still winning while many people considering Damiah to be ´out of shape´. You can only imagine what would have happened if he would be in top shape. <-- lecturing me on duel and dm1 is like trying to tell Stephen Hawking what a black hole is... you just don't do it. You don't know anything about the map tactics, strategies, the application of psychological manipulation, the manipulation of sound and area domination, the conflict of styles. You are just an average player who has some experience and a low ping. I see my invented tactics and strategies get continually used day in, day out (and yes I did invent a majority of them) what have you contributed to Quake 2 duco?
Basically the point here is... I know what I am talking about, you just see a set of results and accept them and then start spouting out 'I told you so' posts.
Delita, uninstalled what? You were playing late last night (at least your last match was vs. me and raskal at 0:30 CET). Interesting. emo <-- I uninstalled the game the day I left the Edge tournament and recently reinstalled out of boredom, I do intend to leave again soon.
Before I did 'take a break' I was quickly developing my top form again... results = only beatable by luck. Reflection towards the tournament = much stronger dm1 players already left or knocked out. Conclusion = tournaments show pretty vague results.
Why pay attention to Delita as he has always been not more than just average q2 player who has never reached anything in any duel competition.
Zorre is very good yes and he has beaten most players on dm1 with huge scores. However when it comes to meeting top-players (i mean: Damiah, Purri, Provi) he probably lacks duel-experience.
If you watch the demo yourself you can see he's guarding room defensively like some1 would do in teamplay (tdm) matches. Zorre probably has one of the best aim + movement but when it comes to duel tactics, experience which are important when two very good players meet.
Damiah was constantly giving damage with his rocketlauncher, tricking his opponent and attacking him on the right moment (even againist a dangerous Zorre with railgun). When Damiah got control he made 8-10 frags in 5 minutes, while Zorre that got 1st 5 minutes of control only made 2.
So Delita, assuming Zorre is better at dm1 would be foolish or you must be considering that he's better at dm1 in teamplay, in duel things are different as you can see in the demo's. Damiah still winning while many people considering Damiah to be ´out of shape´. You can only imagine what would have happened if he would be in top shape.
Zorre is still better than Damiah on dm1 whether you like it or not Duco. How many times do I have to say it, tournaments don't mean shit.. the is tons of players not in the playoffs that deserve to be. I personally would have conquered this tourney if I didn't take a break from Q2 as my play before I uninstalled was becoming unbeatable again.
-Delita, Gerdt, Cheimera, Veed, Niggy, Sarge, K1ra predicted this one wrong. Only 2 people: Lakizz and Kinex we're right
Muerte: Thank you for Zorre demo's btw
Just watched both games: (zorre pov): first dm1: I see zorre having control of room for first few minutes, trying to make long distance frags with railgun but not doing much damage. In contrary to Damiah, zorre doesn't really attack when he is 'owning room'.
Damiah is often referred as a defensive player, but when Zorre has control of megaRoom, Damiah is constanly attacking with well aimed rockets. After that Damiah grabs control, and doesn't stay in room but constantly pressures zorre with rockets, finishing with chain or SSG. To me it looked like Zorre was unable to frag Damiah without a railgun. I must say that Damiah made only very few mistakes, the times he died where by some awesome railgun shots of Zorre.
BTW: funny the observer comments of G!psy mentioning 'zorre wins' after every 1-0 frag in both games.
2nd game report: First 5 minutes of 2nd game: 2-0 (zorre) then 2-1 comes and Damiah grabs railgun and control when 2-2 comes: -score after 10 mins: 2-10
So both had 5 minutes of control but Damiah just made more frags when ´in control´. Conclusion: Damiah has very good chance of reaching final, but if he meets purri, Purri will probably fight him with more 'aggression'.
Muerte i wonder what you mean by: "zorre played as much as he allowed and his way playing edge is not enough to pass Damiah" I think you mean the tactic of capturing room and playing defensively from there with RG in order to make long-distance RG frags didn't do enough damage (amount of frags).
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As someone said nice movoments and aim by zorre but 0 tactics. 
